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Marcellus 09-12-2014 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10907203)
So you would disagree with me when I say that regardless of what the culture is in some regions of the country and among some ethnic groups, people should stop using the switch as a discipline measure?
Yes. Why should you decide they shouldn't use a switch as long as they use it responsibly?

Its not your right to tell them 4 generations before them have been wrong when its worked for them.

Mennonite 09-12-2014 09:09 PM
How about we compromise and agree to a 7 day waiting period and a background check for all switch purchases?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-12-2014 09:12 PM
Sugaring wounds used to "work", too. Doesn't mean that it's an acceptable practice in light of modern knowledge of antimicrobial treatments.

DrunkBassGuitar 09-12-2014 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 10906179)
I have no knowledge of this case or anything so I'm not even sure what he did....but how do you draw the line between spanking and "hitting"?

I have a kid and while I dont think I would hit him with a switch, I wouldnt put it off the table completely....I didnt WANT to ever spank my kid but with my son....I have had to go that route a couple times because logic does not work with kids sometimes.

I can see the arguments on both sides but I refuse to label someone who spanks/corporal punishment to a child as some kind of monster. Everyone is different and some kids are harder to get through to.

Maybe you should have a few kids before you get on your high horse.......
FWIW, there's a difference between disciplining a kid with a spanking and hitting hard enough to leave marks or bruises. my mom worked for CPS, and basically the rule was spanking was frowned upon but it's the parents' decision. CPS only gets involved if you're hitting the kids in the face or hitting them hard enough to where you're leaving bruises. So it's one thing to spank your kid, it's a different thing to beat the shit out your kid.

RealSNR 09-12-2014 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10907215)
Yes. Why should you decide they shouldn't use a switch as long as they use it responsibly?

Its not your right to tell them 4 generations before them have been wrong when its worked for them.
Beating a child with a tool isn't responsible at all. There's no way to use a switch responsibly.

It's excessive and barbaric.

Marcellus 09-12-2014 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10907240)
Beating a child with a tool isn't responsible at all.

It's excessive and barbaric.
Most of your family would disagree.

Dayze 09-12-2014 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 10907088)
I had no idea what a "Switch" was until tonight.


Thank goodness I have great parents.
LMAO

well from my perspective, my old man grew up on a Farm where what is not 79tth and Quivira (here locally); so the term 'switch' was familiar to us after hearing grandparents talk about it etc. my old man, however, never spanked me or applied a switch. I think it might be a cultural thing.

my mom on the otherhand....psychotic bitch.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-12-2014 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10907245)
Most of your family would disagree.
Are human beings, yourself obviously excluded, capable of learning?

The history of civilization suggests they are. If that is in fact the case, might it be possible that olden methods of discipline aren't actually as effective as once believed?

Do you need more longitudinal studies, because I can easily provide them?

Marcellus 09-12-2014 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10907237)
Sugaring wounds used to "work", too. Doesn't mean that it's an acceptable practice in light of modern knowledge of antimicrobial treatments.
This analogy is so appropriate. I am surprised you didn't bring up leeches.

Which ironically also has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Marcellus 09-12-2014 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10907252)
Are human beings, yourself obviously excluded, capable of learning?

The history of civilization suggests they are. If that is in fact the case, might it be possible that olden methods of discipline aren't actually as effective as once believed?

Do you need more longitudinal studies, because I can easily provide them.
Do you think as a society we are learning to be better people? Really?

Please provide the link. ISIS is greatly anticipating your response.

Mennonite 09-12-2014 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10907240)
Beating a child with a tool isn't responsible at all. There's no way to use a switch responsibly.

It's excessive and barbaric.




Exactly. I prefer subtler methods:

http://i.imgur.com/pL8s2SE.gif

"When daddy says "don't mess with the radio when Frank Caliendo is doing John Madden", he means it."

kcxiv 09-12-2014 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10907252)
Are human beings, yourself obviously excluded, capable of learning?

The history of civilization suggests they are. If that is in fact the case, might it be possible that olden methods of discipline aren't actually as effective as once believed?

Do you need more longitudinal studies, because I can easily provide them?
the new ways arent effective at all. ALL ie ver hear from everyone is kids are getting worse and worse. All i hear is kids tlaking back to their parents. Parents putting them on time out they dont hit them though.

I dont need a study, i know what i see. This isnt just from 1 or 2 people, its virtually every friend and family kid i have seen today. There are the occasional respectful kids while the others arent.

Some of the shit i hear kids say to their parents, im like i'd NEVER say that shit, i'd get my face ****ing slapped. lol

Marcellus 09-12-2014 09:19 PM
Oh shit wait Hamas, they will wait to respond after they behead anther person on video.

Because we have evolved as human so far the last 20 years.

cosmo20002 09-12-2014 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10906514)
And keep in mind...some amount of time passed between the whupping in Texas and the doctor visit back home in Minnesota. So those marks had at least some time to heal.

Oregon chief 09-12-2014 09:19 PM
I don't think our elders were beating 4 year Olds with switches. Maybe over 10, but I doubt at 4.


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