Until he gets here and wants to be paid like a top WR again.

Many on here forget that you don't get a prize for additional cap space, the cap is just a means to an end.

What you want to do is not pay mediocre players so you can afford difference makers.

This is all a moot point anyways. If the Cardinals are getting offered 2nd round picks higher than ours…then we won’t be getting him.

That’s where I look at Frank Clark’s contract or maybe create over $25 million in cap space by converting Mahomes’ contract into a signing bonus. We have options, let Veach work. It’s definitely not “wishful thinking”.

Of course not. But let's be realistic here. Not every year is pick 63 gonna be Creed Humphrey. Just like not every year pick 32 is going to be CEH or 46 is going to be Breeland Speaks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Veach is bad or anything. I'm just saying that the last couple of years are statisical outliers right now. He's had some bad picks. His AVERAGE year is not going to be hitting on 6 of 8 picks or stuff like that.

Again, the good thing is that Veach isn't locked in to any one strategy. The year we traded a first for OBJ, we got Bolton and Creed. It's possible to do both and WIN both.

You've built your entire offseason wish list on getting rid of every player you don't want.

MVS will be back. So will OBJ. Sure, they could still do a Hopkins deal even with those but the scenarios you're throwing out only exist in Madden.

And? Everyone knows that Veach will make some moves and presto! we'll have some workable cap space. I saw one hypothesis last week that described an option that would create about $20M in cap space.

And didn't Veach find a way to extend CJ, Travis and I think Frank or whoever, when we literally had $77 in cap space the week before?

I mean, Veach has been talking about keeping OBJ, extending CJ and somehow keeping Frank (something I still highly doubt, but whatever), and still having room to make some moves in FA.

Not sure why anyone's worried about the cap at this point. Obviously Veach isn't.

MVS isn't going anywhere and Hopkins is going to want a new deal. His current cap numbers are likely irrelevant.

I also think that Reid really likes to have as many stud WRs as he possibly can.

Philly he had Owens, DeSean and Maclin.

In KC he started with Bowe then went after Maclin and then hit a home run with Hill but still brought in Sammy Watkins to pair with the two pro bowlers in Hill and Kelce.

I think this past year was a year Veach and Reid crossed their fingers and hoped for the best(almost crapping themself in the championship game). I think both still want a star at WR just not $30M worth a star like Hill.

I Could very easily see them going after Hopkins or even OBJ/Michael Thomas to try and get that stud WR at a better cost than Hill.

I agree with this. Let Veach work.

That being said, you need to be somewhat realistic in your expectations. People are acting like we should get rid of Juju, Clark, MVS, AND OBJ and turn that into Hopkins.

That's not going to happen.

Welp, I just realized that his no-trade clause was voided by the PED suspension. My whole premise for coming to KC was mostly founded on the idea that he wouldn't allow himself to be traded to a bad team, and would want to go ring-hunting. Never mind.

The bottom line is that this is true.

The cap really shouldn't be a concern. If they want to keep all these guys AND go out and get a guy like Hopkins, they'll figure out a way to do it.

Lol Ya'll been trying to cut MVS all season. No idea why. It doesn't make any sense.

It never did. The dude does exactly what this offense needs him to do and while there were a lot of growing pains, he showed what he could do when needed, particularly in the AFCCG.

Not every player is going to be a star. You have to have solid role players and MVS is absolutely one of them.

This. Took me a while to see it, but now i fully understand why MVS is important to the offense. So I was never in favor of cutting MVS after that realization. But his deal could be reworked; in the scenario I saw, his deal could be restructured to only be a $4-$5M hit in 2023. Basically cut his hit in half.