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alnorth 05-14-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9681702)
I guess posting WAR stats is "caveman" in your book. I guess referring to Fan Graphs is something Don Fortune would do. Clearly, I need to get into your good graces by posting something even more SABR-metric-y.

For crying out loud, come on, focus. You are angry at having your Chisenhall analogy refuted, and you are flailing away blindly.

ONCE AGAIN, the argument is, since May, since Moose has worked on whatever it is they asked him to work on, he's done much better. Using his season-to-date WAR, which includes April, does not do a damned thing to help your argument that Moose and Chisenhall are the same.

They are not. Moose has done well recently, Chisenhall has not. I can not believe you actually used his May batting average, and then when I pointed out the obvious (you ignored his May power), you then reverted back to arguing about his whole season again. Using his whole season does nothing to address what we are all saying. You are not arguing in good faith, at all.

alnorth 05-14-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9682170)
This is some serious Twilight Zone stuff here. So now to that point: explain why Chisenhall is down but not Moose.

I did. Over and over and over again. You refuse to accept it.

Chisenhall sucked from April to now. Moose has done well recently. It is completely illogical to send Moose down when he may have turned a corner.

Prison Bitch 05-14-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9682173)
For crying out loud, come on, focus. You are angry at having your Chisenhall analogy refuted, and you are flailing away blindly.

LMAO. Refuted? More like proved. Cleveland basically proved my whole argument on this.


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ONCE AGAIN, the argument is, since May, since Moose has worked on whatever it is they asked him to work on, he's done much better. Using his season-to-date WAR, which includes April, does not do a damned thing to help your argument that Moose and Chisenhall are the same.

I already posted that Moose's avg + walk/K ratio hasn't improved at all in May. It's a myth in your mind. He hit a few fly balls out finally, Wooptydoo. I don't know what either's splits are in fielding or baserunning.

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They are not. Moose has done well recently, Chisenhall has not. I can not believe you actually used his May batting average, and then when I pointed out the obvious (you ignored his May power), you then reverted back to arguing about his whole season again. Using his whole season does nothing to address what we are all saying. You are not arguing in good faith, at all.
Go look at the monthly splits. It'll be instructive to you. Either way here's how it boils down: The Indians seem to agree with me, the Royals seem to agree with you.

Prison Bitch 05-14-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 9682176)
IChisenhall sucked from April to now. Moose has done well recently. It is completely illogical to send Moose down when he may have turned a corner.

What's great is that I'll be wrong either way. If we let Moose stay up and he turns it around, then I'm disproven. If he doesn't and is sent down later this month, the poster above said I'll still be wrong. It's a fascinating way to look at debate when no matter what happens, you are guaranteed to be wrong. lulz

alnorth 05-14-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9682184)
He hit a few fly balls out finally, Wooptydoo. I don't know what either's splits are in fielding or baserunning.

Either you are not making sense because making sense would be inconvenient for your argument...

... or you are the first person in the history of baseball to embrace both batting average and WAR, but completely discount power.

Slugging doesn't matter, and OPS should be ignored unless the AVG is high, are you kidding me with this?

alnorth 05-14-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9682195)
poster above said I'll still be wrong. It's a fascinating way to look at debate when no matter what happens, you are guaranteed to be wrong. lulz

This is correct, you will have still been wrong, because with the information we had at the time, your position makes no sense.

Deberg_1990 05-14-2013 03:51 PM

Frenchy just needs more time to figure it out.

Signed Hochevar
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duncan_idaho 05-14-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 9682163)
How about Colon/Giavotella, Coleman, and Eibner for him?

For Kendrick?

Probably is not enough unless the Angels really like Gio or Colon.

Coleman is a nice throw-in piece. Eibner is not valuable.

I'd guess the Royals opening offer might be something like:

Chris Dwyer (has recovered intriguing prospect status), Will Smith (capable of being a solid 4-5 starter), Gio, and a lotto ticket arm like Jason Adam.

That would give the Angels three cheap and close MLB guys and a lotto ticket that might help. In Dwyer, they have a guy who has 3/4 starter upside.

I suspect the Angels would come back asking for something that includes Yordano Ventura, though.

CaliforniaChief 05-14-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9682218)
For Kendrick?

Probably is not enough unless the Angels really like Gio or Colon.

Coleman is a nice throw-in piece. Eibner is not valuable.

I'd guess the Royals opening offer might be something like:

Chris Dwyer (has recovered intriguing prospect status), Will Smith (capable of being a solid 4-5 starter), Gio, and a lotto ticket arm like Jason Adam.

That would give the Angels three cheap and close MLB guys and a lotto ticket that might help. In Dwyer, they have a guy who has 3/4 starter upside.

I suspect the Angels would come back asking for something that includes Yordano Ventura, though.

I would not surrender Ventura for Kendrick. I'd tell the Angels to go choke on their under-achieving old team.

But I'd surrender the prospects you named. I have a high view on Kendrick, just not Ventura-high.

duncan_idaho 05-14-2013 04:00 PM

al -
Save yourself some heartburn and stop trying to argue baseball logic with PB. It's either beyond him or he's trolling.

Funny how the Bitch was nowhere to be found three days ago (when Moustakas was in the midst of a two-week tear in which he was hitting over .350 and slugging around .700).

Funny how he keeps ignoring the fact that in his last 50 at-bats - even including the recent 0-13 skid over the past 3 games - Moustakas is STILL:

.260 AVG
.339 OBP
.540 SLG

With 6 XBH (2 2B, 4 HR), 7 R and 9 RBI.

He has OPSed .879 since making the changes to his swing that were mentioned in the Star/since the start of the Cleveland series.

Send him down!

NOw stop quoting the troll, please.

Great Expectations 05-14-2013 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9681733)
Tonight I'm going to see "42" the Jackie Robinson Story. Looking forward to it very much.

Very good flick, better than I expected

Chiefspants 05-14-2013 08:06 PM

Prison seems like one of those special Pioli esque guys who'd rather double down on his blunders than admit he was in the wrong.

Prison Bitch 05-14-2013 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9683062)
Prison seems like one of those special ***** esque guys who'd rather double down on his blunders than admit he was in the wrong.

MOOOOOSE! now in an 0-18 skid. Looks like he's finally found his groove.



:thumb:

Chiefspants 05-15-2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9683840)
MOOOOOSE! now in an 0-18 skid. Looks like he's finally found his groove.



:thumb:

If the slump is still going strong into June, by all means, send him down.

Prison Bitch 05-15-2013 06:58 AM

So was I wrong?


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