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tk13 08-06-2011 01:38 PM

I don't think anyone really knows the real numbers. You certainly hear enough big numbers get thrown around. The last 3-4 years the organization has been right there in terms of spending for player salaries. If the bottom 12-14 teams are all getting 80-90 million in revenue sharing, that's well over a billion dollars in money being thrown around for the bottom half of the league. I find it a little hard to believe it's THAT much, but maybe it is, I certainly can't argue otherwise.

I don't have all the figures in front of me, I know two years ago we were something like 17th in $$ spent on the 40 man roster. That's not bad at all. They've been consistently in that $70-85 million range until this year. Add in how much they've spent in the draft and Latin America, it's not like they haven't been spending money. They've attempted to spend money on guys like Torii Hunter, Orlando Hudson, etc... but often times players have taken less money to play elsewhere. That would've sent the payroll even higher. Before it was like they didn't spend money then tried to act like they cared in public. Since Moore took over, they have actually spent money yet DM acts like he's scrounging pennies every time he talks in public.

tk13 08-06-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7805624)
I genuinely believe that several posters on this forum are more passionate about the Royals than David Glass is. I know one thing for sure: quite a few of us have been to more games this year than that piece of shit.

I know I'm just cynical, but I think if most fans knew just how much more they cared about their team than the owners who see it as a business and the players who see it as a job... they would probably be disheartened by it.

Just look no further than 32 NFL owners sitting on the most successful sports league in the history of America, signing multi-billion dollar contracts for revenue left and right, and they decided they still weren't making enough money. If you have a license to print money, you're going to run with it.

DeezNutz 08-06-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 7805666)
I don't think anyone really knows the real numbers. You certainly hear enough big numbers get thrown around. The last 3-4 years the organization has been right there in terms of spending for player salaries. If the bottom 12-14 teams are all getting 80-90 million in revenue sharing, that's well over a billion dollars in money being thrown around for the bottom half of the league. I find it a little hard to believe it's THAT much, but maybe it is, I certainly can't argue otherwise.

I don't have all the figures in front of me, I know two years ago we were something like 17th in $$ spent on the 40 man roster. That's not bad at all. They've been consistently in that $70-85 million range until this year. Add in how much they've spent in the draft and Latin America, it's not like they haven't been spending money. They've attempted to spend money on guys like Torii Hunter, Orlando Hudson, etc... but often times players have taken less money to play elsewhere. That would've sent the payroll even higher. Before it was like they didn't spend money then tried to act like they cared in public. Since Moore took over, they have actually spent money yet DM acts like he's scrounging pennies every time he talks in public.

All good points. Perhaps the bold feeds into Reaper's theory of passive-aggressive behavior from Moore?

It's just very tough to explain why so many of his public comments have been grim, from 55-60 million dollar payrolls to throwing in the towel on re-signing Starling before the sonofabitch is even signed (out of ****ing high school).

Mama Hip Rockets 08-06-2011 03:14 PM

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Getz accepts losing his starting role
By Dick Kaegel / MLB.com

KANSAS CITY -- Don't look for Chris Getz to be pouting about being bumped as the primary second baseman by Royals newcomer Johnny Giavotella.

"I'm not going to have a bad attitude about it. It certainly doesn't bring any value hanging my head or being a bad teammate," Getz said. "That's just not my style."

Getz, batting .256, has just eight extra-base hits and 24 RBIs in his 97 games, but is regarded as outstanding defensively. :spock: He's stolen 19 bases in 26 attempts and is third in the Majors with 12 sacrifice bunts. He also leads the Royals with a .324 (24-for-74) average with runners in scoring position.

He didn't lose the job through poor performance.
:spock: "It's like I told Getzy, this wasn't a performance issue with him," manager Ned Yost said. "Getzy's performance has been pretty solid all year long. :spock: This is a case where we have to see what we have in this kid [Giavotella] at the big league level moving forward."

Getz also lost the second-base job last season to Mike Aviles after beginning the season as the starter.

"But last year I got hurt and was struggling," Getz said. "This year [Giavotella] has been doing well and he certainly warrants an opportunity up here."
per royals.com

DeezNutz 08-06-2011 03:25 PM

Getz's dWAR, per Baseball Reference: 0.1.

KChiefs1 08-06-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 7805594)
Random observation from the K.

We have a shit ton of people who can only go up and down the steps one step at a time. We are a decrepit fan base. I sit on the isle and had a lady, not even look at me, use my shoulder as a hand rail.

We have the fattest fanbase in MLB.

KChiefs1 08-07-2011 09:31 AM

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/06...ain-looms.html

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Agent Scott Boras again looms large over the Royals’ future

SAM MELLINGER COMMENTARY






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NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. | The entrance looks like a bank vault, and that seems about right for this place. Nobody is here to greet you, just black double doors with silver handles and a callbox. You need the code or an appointment to get inside.

A revolutionary works here, or maybe an evil man.

Scott Boras has been called both.

Baseball is different because of what he and his staff have done inside the walls of this building a short drive from the Pacific Ocean. More than $4 billion in contracts, dozens of name-brand superstars switching teams, and a complete overhaul in how players enter the industry have all been negotiated and plotted here.

In some ways, Boras created baseball’s current system.

In other ways, the system created Boras.

Few places have felt his power more than Kansas City, where the Royals’ outlook has sunk and now started to rise along with their willingness to work with the Boras Corporation and its deep roster of stars.

He’s had more influence over the Royals’ last two decades than anyone who doesn’t work for the team, and more than perhaps everyone who does save owner David Glass.

That influence has rarely been as evident as it is now.

Eight days remain for the Royals to sign Bubba Starling, called “the perfect client” for Boras by one insider.

Starling is the No. 5 overall pick from Gardner Edgerton High School, a local folk hero whose athleticism and budding legend, combined with a football and baseball scholarship to Nebraska, place him squarely within Boras’ sweet spot of negotiating power.

The Royals will offer Starling the largest signing bonus in franchise history, likely one of the biggest in baseball history, but Boras may still advise Starling against taking it.

It will all be negotiated and plotted from inside this building by a 58-year-old man who grew up milking cows on his family’s farm and now holds so much of the Royals’ future in his advice.

Starling told The Star last week the process is “getting really stressful now.” The man giving him the advice is calm and confident.

“The currency in baseball is not just money,” Boras says. “It’s intellect.”

• • •

If that’s true, the real stash is in the basement here. Stacks of hard drives line the middle of the room, filling the ears with the buzzing sound of information, like the hum of an air conditioning unit.

This is the nerve center of the Boras Corporation, and it’s taken on a mythical status in baseball. Luke Hochevar, a Boras client, stood back in Kansas City and pictured a room twice as big as the Royals’ clubhouse.
It might actually be closer in size to a small bedroom, but this is the basis of everything they do here. The computers send automated updates on every Boras client to every Boras employee every 30 minutes. Boras’ people like to brag that the system is more advanced than the players union’s, and more detailed than what some teams have.

In-depth studies and comparisons are as simple as a Google search, with details as small as how beer and concessions sales are affected when his clients pitch. This is how Boras negotiates a total of $438 million for Alex Rodriguez.

“I’m an information guy,” Boras says.

This is his secret. It’s his weapon, his power, the vehicle he uses to alter the way baseball organizations conduct business. He has beaten down franchises and milked billionaires with the information stored here.

The Royals are different because of what’s in this room, because a failed minor-league baseball player quit defending drug companies in courtrooms to build this office and fight for athletes.

• • •

Boras’ strange life started three decades ago when he was a lawyer on his way toward making partner.

A few friends and former minor-league teammates asked for help with the business part of baseball. Boras agreed, and felt disrespected by the teams in the process. Soon he quit his job and made it his life’s work to even the power between baseball players and teams.

The more information he gathered, the more he felt the need. Signing bonuses rose only slightly over the first 20 years of the draft despite the sport’s revenue more than doubling. Everything is a math equation to Boras, and this didn’t seem right.

“We are no different than the balance of the game,” Boras says. “The money is merely an equation. It’s an equation. The values of players are simply relative to the values of the revenues produced by that.”

So he attacked the draft from all angles, finding a loophole that got Tim Belcher an extra $40,000 or so through the supplemental draft, and attempting to create another by putting Jason Varitek into an independent league and declaring he was no longer an amateur player subject to traditional draft rules.

In no small part through Boras’ stubborn negotiations, free-agent salaries and signing bonuses of top draft picks began to escalate in the 1980s. As they did, Boras became hated by many within the sport.

His negotiations often follow similar and brutal patterns. Enormous binders highlight free agents’ success and historical comparisons drive huge contract demands, with Boras often citing a competing bid from what’s become known as “the mystery team.”

Many baseball personnel men call him a liar and some characterize his stable of clients as a cult blindly following its leader. But they’ll never say such things publicly because they need the players he represents — Prince Fielder, Jered Weaver and Carlos Gonzalez among them.

Boras dismisses the notion that he’s somehow bad for the game. If he were, he says, baseball’s revenues would not continue to climb. Perhaps more than any other agent, Boras invests in his clients. Psychologists, strength coaches, nutritionists, financial planning … he says these things make his clients better, which makes baseball better, which in turn is good for everyone involved.

And if teams disagree, there are other players out there.

“Relationships in baseball are voluntary,” he says.

Three of the biggest five contracts in baseball history were negotiated by Boras and his team, and those aren’t even the most impressive.

J.D. Drew got millions more than the initial offer coming out of the draft, and, after most people thought he was nuts to opt out of $33 million left on a contract with the Dodgers, he got $70 million from the Red Sox. Boras once negotiated $65 million for Chan Ho Park.

Boras isn’t flawless. He argued Varitek was worth $10 million in 2009 and got half that. Rey Sanchez lost $5 million one season following Boras’ advice. There is also a prevailing feeling among many within baseball that Boras’ focus is so money-driven that it sucks the joy out of his clients’ lives, that they may end up richer but not as happy.

That’s the image many carry back in Kansas City, where Boras has come to represent what the Royals can’t do.

• • •

The Royals never officially banned the selection or signing of Boras clients, but only because they didn’t have to. It was more of a practical matter. They couldn’t afford them.

Since 1998, one of five Boras clients has been the highest-paid player in the National League in all but four seasons. In 2001, Boras negotiated the landmark $252 million deal for Alex Rodriguez, who then opted out for an even bigger contract seven years later.

Baseball America named Boras one of the sport’s 25 most powerful people for his impact on salaries, and the trend drove baseball’s best players past the Royals’ spending and on to bigger markets.

Baseball’s average salary was $1.2 million in 1994, when the Royals ranked fourth overall in spending. By 2000, while the Royals were being run by a board of directors told to cut spending, that average was up to $2 million.

That year, they ranked 28th in payroll.

The Royals have just one winning season in the last 16, and the plight is often told through the lens of the early 2000s, when Boras clients Carlos Beltran and Johnny Damon made it clear they would not re-sign unless the franchise made major changes.

Beltran went to Houston in a trade for John Buck, Mike Wood and Mark Teahen. He later signed for $119 million with the Mets. Damon went to Oakland for Angel Berroa, A.J. Hinch and Roberto Hernandez. He later signed for $31 million with Boston, then $52 million with the Yankees.

Beltran’s and Damon’s average salaries alone since leaving Kansas City are nearly 25 percent of the Royals’ average payrolls since 2000.

The Royals may have been the worst-run and most hopeless franchise in baseball when Dayton Moore became general manager in 2006. One of the first things Moore did after being hired was meet with Boras.

That year, the Royals used the only No. 1 overall pick in franchise history on Hochevar. He was the first Boras client the Royals had selected in the first round since 1998, and it cost them a $5.3 million contract. The next year they gave $4 million to Mike Moustakas, then $6 million for Eric Hosmer, $3 million for Aaron Crow, and $2.75 million for Christian Colon.

That’s five Royals first-round picks, including the largest contracts for draft picks in franchise history, and all but one of them are Boras clients.

“We’re very cognizant of the idea that this whole system falls apart if we don’t have the requisite success for each individual franchise when we do this,” Boras says. “The GM, when they pick these guys … is on the line. And so are we.”

There are other factors, but it’s no coincidence that over the same period the Royals went from one of baseball’s worst farm systems to what many call one of the best in recent history.

This is also true: the Royals have never had a negotiation that will be followed as closely or have the potential to change the franchise as much as the one they’re currently discussing with Boras’ perfect client.

• • •

Bubba Starling is a special case, and Boras built his empire with special cases.

Starling plays center field, a premier position. He is fast (4.36 seconds in the 40-yard dash), strong (Royals scouts tell stories about 500-foot home runs), can throw (95-mph fastball) and best of all for his leverage, has a scholarship to play quarterback and baseball at Nebraska.

Recent Boras draft picks Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper provided obvious negotiating power with unmistakable talent.

Starling provides a different kind of leverage, one that’s right in Boras’ wheelhouse. Boras is putting together charts and studies about Starling’s NFL potential and will argue that any baseball contract needs to account for his giving up on the other sport.

The Royals in June made Starling the first position player and first high school prospect selected. A staple of any Boras-driven negotiation includes the value of a college education and his claim that when he advises against signing out of high school, the player’s bonus out of college is an average of three times larger.

As an example, Boras might point out that Hosmer signed for $6 million out of high school three years ago; had he passed and gone into this summer’s draft, he’d be in line for around twice that.

Remember, it’s all math to Boras. Joe Mauer signed with the Twins for $5.1 million in 2001, for instance, but baseball’s revenues have since doubled so the same talent should get more than $10 million now.

Maybe this all sounds crazy to you, that anybody who would turn down a lifetime of security before their career even starts is some combination of stupid and offensive. But, calculating a typical agent’s cut of 5 percent, Boras has made more than $200 million applying his math to baseball’s growing revenue.

“I’m very happy that we can afford our principles,” Boras says. “It’s our empirical information. The best thing I can do over the years is go back to each team and say, look, ‘We represent draft picks that aren’t worth this type of money and we don’t ask for it. The only time we ask for it is when they’re worth it.’”

This is mostly how he talks. Direct questions are answered indirectly, but with embedded messages that say this is a special talent with special negotiating power and it will take a proportionately special contract to sign him.

He will pressure the Royals by telling them that 85 percent of the players he advises who sign out of high school become productive and longtime major-league players.

“And the majority of them are stars,” Boras says.

• • •

Before the draft, baseball teams were told Boras would seek $12 million for Starling. In the time since, the rumored number has dropped closer to $10 million.

Negotiations haven’t begun in any real way, and probably won’t until shortly before the deadline a week from Monday. It’s a high-stakes game of chicken, with the futures of a talented 18-year-old and a Major League Baseball franchise resting in the outcome.

There are holes in Boras’ case, of course. The Royals will be offering the biggest bonus in franchise history. Eight million dollars is reasonable, maybe more. That’s enough to blow the formula expecting a three-fold increase after college, and Boras himself allows that when teams are offering this kind of money, the deals typically get done.

Plus, if Starling failed in pro baseball he wouldn’t be the first to go back to college and try for the NFL.

Outside of Boras Corp. and the Royals, most observers expect a contract to be signed. There is too much money at stake, and neither the Royals nor Starling want to be part of a failed deal between hometown franchise and kid.

But there is just enough in Boras’ history and confidence to make everyone unsure. His advice has rocked and shocked baseball before. Leading up to the draft, Starling called being selected by the Royals a “dream.” But he’s also openly wondered whether he’s ready for professional baseball.

He talks up the draw of playing two sports at Nebraska, and is now in Lincoln lifting weights with the football team. Although he wasn’t on Nebraska’s 105-man roster when it opened practice Saturday, the Huskers have assigned Starling jersey No. 16.

This is the biggest worry about a deal being done with the Royals, that they never should’ve let him get on campus.

“We’re big believers in the value of a college education,” Boras says.

There is a slight smile on his face now. Boras is advising an elite talent with special options against a needy team. Hard drives full of information will guide him.

The perfect client is putting Boras in the perfect position.

Demonpenz 08-07-2011 09:50 AM

We get two picks in deep draft next year. No wirries.

Bowser 08-07-2011 10:05 AM

This is a tough one to call. Hometown kid getting big bucks to play with hometown team, or going away to be a star at a name college like Nebraska and banging every co-ed that looks at him cross eyed, only to re-enter MLB draft next year and potentially get picked by one of the top five salaried teams.

I won't be suprised if he goes either direction.

Al Bundy 08-07-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 7806875)
This is a tough one to call. Hometown kid getting big bucks to play with hometown team, or going away to be a star at a name college like Nebraska and banging every co-ed that looks at him cross eyed, only to re-enter MLB draft next year and potentially get picked by one of the top five salaried teams.

I won't be suprised if he goes either direction.

He will have to stay 3 years if he goes to college.

DeezNutz 08-07-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 7806875)
This is a tough one to call. Hometown kid getting big bucks to play with hometown team, or going away to be a star at a name college like Nebraska and banging every co-ed that looks at him cross eyed, only to re-enter MLB draft next year and potentially get picked by one of the top five salaried teams.

I won't be suprised if he goes either direction.

The odds of him potentially making more money in the draft are slim, so it would be incredibly surprising for him not to sign.

Bowser 08-07-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Prowl (Post 7806916)
He will have to stay 3 years if he goes to college.

You're right. That might throw a wrench into it.

Surely any sane person wouldn't walk away from nearly 10 million guaranteed to play a sport that may well end any hope he has to play a professional sport, right?

Dr. Johnny Fever 08-07-2011 06:52 PM

Maybe a dumb question here but oh well. I've been around baseball my whole life but I've never had anyone explain this to me.

Why is it that so often after a defensive player makes the play for the last out, as he runs back into the dugout someone in the dugout throws him a ball as he approaches? I've never seen them do this anywhere but the majors, although maybe some do... and I've never known the reason.

Great Expectations 08-07-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by noonan (Post 7807888)
Maybe a dumb question here but oh well. I've been around baseball my whole life but I've never had anyone explain this to me.

Why is it that so often after a defensive player makes the play for the last out, as he runs back into the dugout someone in the dugout throws him a ball as he approaches? I've never seen them do this anywhere but the majors, although maybe some do... and I've never known the reason.

It is usually just the First baseman and occasionally an OF. They take the ball to warm up with in between innings.

DeezNutz 08-07-2011 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by noonan (Post 7807888)
Maybe a dumb question here but oh well. I've been around baseball my whole life but I've never had anyone explain this to me.

Why is it that so often after a defensive player makes the play for the last out, as he runs back into the dugout someone in the dugout throws him a ball as he approaches? I've never seen them do this anywhere but the majors, although maybe some do... and I've never known the reason.

First basemen take a ball out for infield every inning. Center fielders take a ball out to the outfield for catch every inning. Thus, if either of these players records the last out, they toss the game ball into the stands and get a new one from the dugout.

Didn't used to happen before the strike. MLB tried to limit the amount of balls used. Post-strike, it's a way of gaining "positive rep" with the fans.


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