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DaneMcCloud

01-16-2013 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9327076)

Barkley's my #3 guy, but if that's who they went with, I'd be fine with it. I don't think he's really all that different than Matt Ryan when he came out of BC. Right situation (and a WCO team would be that) and he might thrive.

Well, he's quite a bit shorter and not as physically sturdy. That doesn't mean that he won't have a nice career but it should be somewhat of a concern, however mild.

O.city

01-16-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9327075)

Luck was pretty much nothing short of amazing during his last two years of college football. There's really no argument there.

Matt Ryan played on a bad team with receivers that couldn't run routes. 90% of interceptions were due to that reason and the coach was fired shortly after Ryan graduated.

Eli played for a bad school because it's the school his father attended. Once again, less than average coaching coupled with weak talent made him appear "worse" than he was, even though he absolutely deserved to be the #1 overall pick.

As far as this class is concerned, I've seen very good and very bad from Barkley. I've only seen poor games from Smith. I saw an Arkansas game or two in 2011 in which Wilson was money, then saw him in 2012 when he wasn't even close.

I believe this is why the talking heads haven't pinpointed a single guy from this class: None of them really pass the casual eye test.

Hopefully, The Combine will provide answers.

Yeah and I mean lets be honest, how many QB's are there that can win big in the NFL without significant talent around them? 3?

Guys like Eli, Ryan, Rivers, etc. all have pretty great talent around them.

Seems its not just the QB, but alot of it is just situation. All things have to be right. The QB obviously has to be talented, but it has to be the right system for him, he has to have the right coaching (which we seem to have). It's just a multitude of things.

keg in kc

01-16-2013 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9327079)

Well, he's quite a bit shorter and not as physically sturdy.

If's he's really 6'2, that's not a major problem. If he comes out at the combine and he's 6'1, that's another story.

That's going to be one of the things that hurts Aaron Murray next year.

O.city

01-16-2013 10:40 PM

I watched Barkley quite a bit this year, I tend to think his arm strength questions are a little overblown. He doesn't have a launcher by any means and he obviously now has health questions, but it's not bad.

DaneMcCloud

01-16-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 9327094)

If's he's really 6'2, that's not a major problem. If he comes out at the combine and he's 6'1, that's another story.

That's going to be one of the things that hurts Aaron Murray next year.

I've "heard" he's closer to 6'1.

I've never understood why the players allow themselves to be misrepresented physically, especially knowing that everyone will eventually find out.

DaneMcCloud

01-16-2013 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9327098)

IMO, he's perfect for the traditional WCO.

However, I've read that Reid runs his own version, which includes more down-field passing, so I'm not sure if he's a perfect fit.

O.city

01-16-2013 10:41 PM

I'm sure people will say, "oh, Russell Wilson is short too, it's not big deal"

Well, Barkley's a much different type player than Wilson.

O.city

01-16-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9327103)

IMO, he's perfect for the traditional WCO. I read that Reid runs his own version, which includes more down-field passing, so I'm not sure if he's a perfect fit.

Yeah, thats actually a reason I'm big on the Geno bandwagon. I think he fits the offense pretty perfectly, with what Reid wants to do.

milkman

01-16-2013 10:42 PM

Wilson has a better arm.

ToxSocks

01-16-2013 10:43 PM

WV's defense really ****ed Geno over. If they had won a few more games (because 47ppg isn't enough) there wouldn't be much debate over who was top prospect.

Something similar could probably be said about Wilson.

keg in kc

01-16-2013 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9327103)

IMO, he's perfect for the traditional WCO.

However, I've read that Reid runs his own version, which includes more down-field passing, so I'm not sure if he's a perfect fit.

That's part of why I have him 3rd behind Smith and Wilson. Size as well.

But if the team rated him #1, I'd have a hard time arguing against them. I'll believe they're smarter than I am until they prove otherwise.

O.city

01-16-2013 10:44 PM

I think if you flipped Geno's 2011 season, with his 2012 season, things would be alot different.

keg in kc

01-16-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9327115)

I think if you flipped Geno's 2011 season, with his 2012 season, things would be alot different.

I think if you flipped his 2011 bowl game with his 2012, it sure would be. Weather did him no favors in the pinstripe this year.

the Talking Can

01-16-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 9327078)

Barkley looks like a guy with a higher ceiling than Alex Smith, but that just puts him at the top of the list of game manager's with Sam Bradford.

i'm all about thresholds....does a guy pass 'some' level of talent at which you could hypothetically build a championship team around him?

for some, it's 'easy': Brady, Manning, Rothleswhatever, Rodgers, presumably Luck

for some it requires more work: Eli, Brees

for some it requires a lot, but they can get there: Flacco, Ryan (broke the seal)

then there is Bradford, Stafford...major ?'s but still with the realm of imagination

but I'd draft ANY of them (in retrospect, obviously)...i'm not concerned with how much work it will take, only that is possible (and not in a Dilfer way)

if you sit around waiting for Luck, you'll be sitting around forever (Chiefs!)...that attitude drives me crazy...you can't win (or even get lucky) if you don't try

and so I would without hesitation draft wilson/smith/barkley...

O.city

01-16-2013 10:47 PM

No and it's somewhat ironic that Nassib is getting built up after having his bowl performance.

I'm just not big on Nassib, btw. They opened the offense up for him early in the year, they lost alot, decided to run the ball alot and take it out of his hands and started winning. Basically, making him a game manager.

It seems like when new Gm's and HC's happen, they obviously want to build the team their way. I like that Reid isnt' going full Pioli and forcing things his way, but I do think you have to start by building around the QB. The whole build then try and get a Qb, doesn't work.

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