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DeezNutz 01-11-2011 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7347149)
he can beat up on the Topeka School for the Deaf and Blind.

Not if one got through the line.

SAUTO 01-11-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7347149)
You're comparing resurrecting the career of a SB MVP and a sure fire HOF QB to trying to turn a career backup into the next Tom Brady.

Warner had the skills. He had proven it.

Cassel hasn't proved anything, other than that he can beat up on the Topeka School for the Deaf and Blind.

the topeka school for the deaf and blind called and confirmed they didnt play the chiefs this season or last. :p

Marcellus 01-11-2011 04:23 PM

Haley has lost the team.

Jamal Charles wants a trade.

Pioli won't drat a safety that high


Blah blah blah..

FAX 01-11-2011 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7346802)
I don't think this is fair, Mr. FAX.

Haley said, directly, the he'll consider calling plays in '11. People are going to react. It's not like we're getting this information second-hand from the local pizza joint.

Since I have appointed myself as a board advocate for Haley, here we go, my friend.

Unfair? Pffft. It's no more unfair than doing a Whitlock (cherry-picking one vague comment out of an entire 30 minute presser) and jumping on Haley with both feet over the OC question less than two full days after season's end. To wit;

In the presser, Haley notes and thanks the strength coach, nutrition specialists, and trainers for their hard work during the year. (Odd thing for a crazy egomaniac to say.) He states (without prompting) that the entire organization is and will undergo a full review and eval. This evaluation will include players, coaches ... and ... wait for it ... himself as head coach. (Dang. Could that be right? Haley's a moron! He wants to evaluate his own moronic performance? Why would he want to do that?). He says their goal is nothing less than to become a championship team and that it will happen sooner, rather than later. (Note that he didn't say his goal was to dominate discussions, control the offense, alienate coaches, and make a complete ass out of himself on the sideline.) He mentions that he's proud of what the team accomplished this year because not a lot of people outside the building (other than some of the fans) believed they could make it to double-digit wins and a playoff appearance. Then he says ... and this is kind cool, I think ... that they have to, and will, do a better job next time ... including himself.

On and on and on.

In other words, there were tons of comments made in that presser that were encouraging and thoughtful and forthright and honest. It isn't all about the OC and Haley's megalomaniacal desire to control every detail or person with whom he works.

FAX

FAX 01-11-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7347121)
Brady had a terrific year with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney as his #1 and #2
Brees once had a WR corps so depleted, Terrence Copper was a starter
While Peyton has Reggie Wayne, he was on, what, his 20th string WR?

Good QBs make average WRs great. We shouldn't have to line this roster up with superstars in order to get production out of the most important player on the field.

I couldn't agree more. So far, there have been three (maybe four) apparently bad roster decisions ... The Helmet Snatcher, McCluster, and Cassel come to mind.

The glass-half-full view is that, if we do pack the offense with an o-line that can protect Pioli's granny and skill players who can make touchdowns without the ball just so Cassel can walk the streets of Overland Park without getting egged, when we do get a decent QB, we should be in pretty good shape, offensively speaking.

FAX

OnTheWarpath15 01-11-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7347162)
Not if one got through the line.

At least he'd be able to see or hear them coming.

DeezNutz 01-11-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7347203)
Since I have appointed myself as a board advocate for Haley, here we go, my friend.

Unfair? Pffft. It's no more unfair than doing a Whitlock (cherry-picking one vague comment out of an entire 30 minute presser) and jumping on Haley with both feet over the OC question less than two full days after season's end. To wit;

In the presser, Haley notes and thanks the strength coach, nutrition specialists, and trainers for their hard work during the year. (Odd thing for a crazy egomaniac to say.) He states (without prompting) that the entire organization is and will undergo a full review and eval. This evaluation will include players, coaches ... and ... wait for it ... himself as head coach. (Dang. Could that be right? Haley's a moron! He wants to evaluate his own moronic performance? Why would he want to do that?). He says their goal is nothing less than to become a championship team and that it will happen sooner, rather than later. (Note that he didn't say his goal was to dominate discussions, control the offense, alienate coaches, and make a complete ass out of himself on the sideline.) He mentions that he's proud of what the team accomplished this year because not a lot of people outside the building (other than some of the fans) believed they could make it to double-digit wins and a playoff appearance. Then he says ... and this is kind cool, I think ... that they have to, and will, do a better job next time ... including himself.

On and on and on.

In other words, there were tons of comments made in that presser that were encouraging and thoughtful and forthright and honest. It isn't all about the OC and Haley's megalomaniacal desire to control every detail or person with whom he works.

FAX

Yeah, I was relieved that Haley didn't appear to want to be the strength and conditioning coach, too.

Progress. ;)

FAX 01-11-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 7347127)
I remember people on this board laughing at Arizona for going with the washed-up Warner over Leinart. Warner's career was resurrected in Arizona, and some of credit has to go to Haley, I'd think.

Of course it does. Nobody in their right mind would think otherwise (unless they harbored some kind of personal, anti-Haley agenda. But that would never happen.)

Remember, too, that some people thought that Boulden and Fitz didn't like Haley. Hated him, in fact. There was a lot of smoke on that subject ... ultimately proven false, obviously.

I can understand some of the dislike for Haley, but sometimes it seems a little biased.

FAX

FAX 01-11-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7347240)
Yeah, I was relieved that Haley didn't appear to want to be the strength and conditioning coach, too.

Progress. ;)

ROFL

FAX

OnTheWarpath15 01-11-2011 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7347260)
Of course it does. Nobody in their right mind would think otherwise (unless they harbored some kind of personal, anti-Haley agenda. But that would never happen.)

Remember, too, that some people thought that Boulden and Fitz didn't like Haley. Hated him, in fact. There was a lot of smoke on that subject ... ultimately proven false, obviously.

I can understand some of the dislike for Haley, but sometimes it seems a little biased.

FAX

Do you respect Rich Gannon's opinions as a broadcaster, Mr. FAX?

Do you think he's biased?

FAX 01-11-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7347268)
Do you respect Rich Gannon's opinions as a broadcaster, Mr. FAX?

Do you think he's biased?

Sometimes I think Gannon gets stuff right. Other times, I think he likes to hear the sound of his own voice. Then there are other times when I think he says stuff that other people want to hear. Then there are other, other times when I think he says stuff that other people have said other times when they say stuff.

Is there any particular Gannon opinion you would like to offer as an example, Mr. OnTheWarpath58? Or, am I to take this bait without even a single look at what's beneath the bra?

FAX

patteeu 01-11-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7347268)
Do you respect Rich Gannon's opinions as a broadcaster, Mr. FAX?

Do you think he's biased?

What's his opinion? Is it about something that he might have actual insight into or is he just guessing like all of us?

OnTheWarpath15 01-11-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7347282)
Sometimes I think Gannon gets stuff right. Other times, I think he likes to hear the sound of his own voice. Then there are other times when I think he says stuff that other people want to hear. Then there are other, other times when I think he says stuff that other people have said other times when they say stuff.

Is there any particular Gannon opinion you would like to offer as an example, Mr. OnTheWarpath58? Or, am I to take this bait without even a single look at what's beneath the bra?

FAX

He hosts a show on Sirius NFL Radio, and he said yesterday that he feels that Haley needs to take a step back, get with Pioli, and figure our what the issue is - whether it's his ego, whatever.

He went on to say that it's obvious he has some sort of issue as he's gone through 4 OC's (assuming he hires one) in 3 seasons.

And he's far from the only analyst on Sirius that feels the exact same way.

I'm not relaying all this to bash the guy.

I'm simply saying that those "in the know" seem to lean towards the idea that Haley and his ego are the problem here.

It's not just guys like Whitlock who are looking for a reaction.

OnTheWarpath15 01-11-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 7347287)
What's his opinion? Is it about something that he might have actual insight into or is he just guessing like all of us?

You don't think that Rich Gannon has more insight and access to inside information than the fans?

Dave Lane 01-11-2011 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 7346753)
'09-Haley was one of the worst HCs I can remember witnessing (speaking strictly about his game management). FAR worse than Herm. 4-7-37. Never forget. I do not want to revert back to this wasteland.

You have crossed the line into insanity with this portion of the post.


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