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Do we want DeHop? (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=347818)

I'd consider trading a 4th but there is no way I'm trading a 2nd rounder for a 32-year-old WR who hasn't played a full season the past two years.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16836081)

I agree with this. Let Veach work.

That being said, you need to be somewhat realistic in your expectations. People are acting like we should get rid of Juju, Clark, MVS, AND OBJ and turn that into Hopkins.

That's not going to happen.

That’s being dramatic and getting carried away. We can do A LOT less and still get him. If Chiefs really want him, it wont be hard.

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Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 16836103)

I'd consider trading a 4th but there is no way I'm trading a 2nd rounder for a 32-year-old WR who hasn't played a full season the past two years.

Yeah, I just really can't see the Chiefs doing something like this. Not with how they've been operating lately focusing so much on value. Not only are you giving up a 2nd rounder, but paying him $15-20 million a year? You can use that 2nd rounder on an instant contributor and sign a WR in free agency. Not like Hopkins is coming off a 100 catch, 1500 yard season and is in his prime.

Just don't see where it works at all.

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Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 16836103)

I'd consider trading a 4th but there is no way I'm trading a 2nd rounder for a 32-year-old WR who hasn't played a full season the past two years.

What 32 year old? Dhop is 30 and turns 31 this year. On planet Earth, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16836108)

He put up 700 yards and 3 TDs with a suspension and Jack shit at QB. You can be upset at what it would cost without claiming that he’s not good.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16836089)

Lol Ya'll been trying to cut MVS all season. No idea why. It doesn't make any sense.

Everyone wants to cut Hardman too. We can all agree both are underwhelming, but ball out when needed.

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16836128)

Everyone wants to cut Hardman too. We can all agree both are underwhelming, but ball out when needed.

Don’t have to cut Hardman anymore.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16836054)

Lol, whatever.

Like whether DHop ultimately is a first ballot HOFer 6-10 years from now matters in this particular conversation. What I think vs. what you appear to think about DHop are not the same, but so what?

It's what he can do right now for the offense, for Toney/Skyy, for Kelce, and Pat that's pertinent here. And if you can't see that DHop is one of the best to ever do it, well, i think you're wrong, but let's leave that part out of the conversation. He is still a top-10 WR in everyone's book, and plays a skillset that would be a perfect fit for the offense.

Then there's what he could do for our young WR room in terms of game prep, body/health management, situational awareness, etc. Things that don't currently exist in that room.

There's going to be plenty of years when the Chiefs trot out WR rooms that are populated entirely by JAGs as Pat's cap hit grows, but this next couple three seasons don't have to be a part of that period.

And people really need to stop trying to use the "Patriot Way" as an example of how to maintain a dynasty. Let's not forget that they went ten years without a SB W. And who were their WRs during that period? Can anyone remember who their WR1/WR2 combos were during that time?

How about GB? They had arguably the best QB in NFL history (before Mahomes) at the helm, and chose to populate his WR room with JAGs for most of that span. Their strict adherence to the idea that Rodgers would just carry the majority of the offensive load earned them one Ring. One SB appearance.

All I'm saying is that there could be a huge opportunity here, instead of following a now well-worn path that doesn't necessarily lead to greatness, and has a rather high percentage chance of leading to nowhere special.

Del Shofner was better.
Henry Ellard was better.
Harold Jackson was better.
Anquan Boldin was better.
Stanley Morgan was better.
Hines Ward was better.
Jimmy Smith was better.

All not in the HOF.

Somehow you guys have convinced yourselves DHop is the 2nd coming of Cris carter or something. Is he good? Without a doubt. Is he worth it at this point?

**** no.

Juju at 15 million is fine

MVS at 11 million is fine

But Dhop at 19 million is too much?

I don't understand.

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Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16836152)

You could have just posted “I know jack shit about football” and it would have saved you a lot of typing.

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16836175)

You could have just posted “I know jack shit about football” and it would have saved you a lot of typing.

Don't give a **** what you think.

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16835950)

Are you suggesting that what we've done the past TWO drafts isn't sustainable?

Uh yeah it’s not

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16836111)

What 32 year old? Dhop is 30 and turns 31 this year. On planet Earth, anyway.

My bad. I heard or read somewhere he was turning 32, but I didn't verify. You are right; he is 30 and will turn 31 in June.

Doesn't change my stance though one bit. He's on the wrong side of 30.

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Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16836152)

Wtf? Didn't even address my post.

And who the hell is Shofner/Morgan/Jackson? As far as I can tell Shofner played in the 50s. Please.

Ellard? I mean, I liked Ellard, but seriously? Check your stats; he's not in the same ballpark. Never mind DHop has the huge advantage in hands.

Boldin? Again, liked him, but no. I mean, at least the stat lines are comparable, but just take 1st down receptions; both have 695, but Boldin played another 4 years to hit that number? DHop is already there. DHop is the better athlete, more versatile, better hands.

Hines? Really good player, close in some of the stats, sure hands and tough as nails, so pretty similar in several respects. Probably should be in the HOF, in my book. Not the same athlete though.

Smith? Decent comparison, except he doesn't have the production over the same period of time.

not to mention that some of those guys were strictly boundary guys, while DHop can play from anywhere.

But again, who cares about your idea of what an HOFer is supposed to be?ROFL

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16836108)

if you think Odel, JuJu, Lazard or Jacobi Myers is as good or better that would be the plan. But there are not a lot of potential pro bowl WR available as FA. But the above guys might think they should be paid closer to Kirk and have a low 20's cap hit.