DHop said he wants to play with Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Herbert or Hurts.

Ravens already paid a ton of money to OBJ, drafted Flowers with their first rounder and have another former 1st rounder in Bateman

Chargers have Mike Williams, Keenan Allen and first rounder Q Johnston.

Eagles have AJ Brown and Devonta Smith.

Are any of those teams really going to pony up north of $15M for DHop?

It will be Chiefs or Bills IMO. If I remember correctly the Bills 2024 cap is already wrecked. We will see if Buf wants to offer DHop an incentive laden contract which would hurt their 2024 cap even more.

Why is a 31 year-old WR, that necessarily takes fewer hits, and has to play a less physical style of play more of a liability than a 34 year-old TE, that has to play a much more physical game? That just doesn't make any sense to me.


And our WRs going into the season are likely

(Hopkins)
Toney
Moore
MVS
Rice


Do we really care how many balls the rest of the WR room catches?

And Hopkins isn't a volume WR. he doesn't need 150 targets to be productive. He's literally one of the few WRs in history to see over 100 targets and catch every single ball in a season. he's incredibly efficient; if you have a QB that can actually put the ball somewhere he can get a hand on it.

In this offense, he needs between 80-100 targets. With Pat throwing to him, he'll catch 70-85 balls for over 1,200 yds/8-10 TDs. Btw, if he does anything like that, then even Travis doesn't need 150 targets. More like 120-130.

Quid pro quo: Plenty of balls for Toney/Moore/Rice.

Pepperidge farm remembers

The we get a comp pick in 2025!

Biggest issue for Dhop is whether someone gives him a multi year deal for stupid money or he wants to win a ring. I suspect the Chiefs won’t offer enough (absent Mahomes insistence). They will likely take the same kind of $3mm-$5mm with another $8mm-$10mm in incentives sort of deal that Juju took, but if he wants to go to the highest bidder — even if it’s just the highest bidder among the handful of teams he’s expressed an interest playing for — then he won’t be in KC.

I think KC believes they’re in good shape with the current cast as well — making a pursuit of Hopkins even less likely.

Current Chiefs WRs 2022 total yards

MVS 687
James 569
Watson 315
Moore 250
Toney 171
Rice 0
Ross 0
Ross 0

...we could use the help.

Hopkins will want at least $15m to match OBJ, probably more.

Apparently, we can get $16m by extending Chris Jones and we have $1m currently available.

I don't know that teams bereft of talent and who had a losing record (Panthers and Jets) having to overpay to bring talent / names (Thielen) are in the same position we find ourselves in.

Gage's cap hit in 2023 is $7m to MVS's $9m. Gage also had 51 receptions on 70 targets for 5 TDs. MVS had 42 receptions on 81 targets with 2TD last season.

Coming into their respective contracts... MVS put up 430 yards on 26 receptions off 55 with 3 TDs targets while Gage put up 770 yards on 66 receptions off 94 targets and 4TDs.

With Gage coming up on a $16m payday next season due to the way that 3-30 contract was written up... I would be shocked if he is still with the Bucs next season.

7m > 9m

Buffalo is going to have a hard time making it work.

Who's numbers are you using, because that's not what I have (Pro Football Reference)

MVS had 5 drops (6.2% Drop Rate). Kelce had 8 (5.3% Drop Rate). Not saying he doesn't drop the ball, but just wanting to have honest information.

I don't think MVS is as negative as you make him out to be, as he showed in the AFC Championship game that he can fill the other facets of this offense if he has to, plus he very much fulfills his role. If he didn't have some concerns in dropping the ball and had an extra step in his lateral movement, he'd be a lot better player (but he'd also cost an additional 6 to 10M AAV)

Plus, it's important to remember that he was literally our 2nd option at receiver last year (so realistically 3rd behind Kelce) and got 687 yards.

Lets look at some beautiful data:

He was 55th in yards amongst all pass catchers (46th amongst Wide Receivers only), making him an average WR2 in the grand scheme of things, in an offense where realistically he is the 3rd option (if we go off of qualified players in Receiving Yds per game he fares a bit worse at 68th, or the 55th Wide Receiver making him an average WR2 option or a top 3rd pass catcher)

So lets run with his worse set of numbers, looking at guys around him in terms of production output last year (In terms of Yards per game), we see veteran receivers like Corey Davis (62nd), Mack Hollins (66th), Curtis Samuel (71st). If we include other pass catchers we also add Zach Ertz (67th), Dalton Schultz (72nd) and Tyler Higbee (76th)

Lets look at salaries...

Corey Davis 12.5M AAV
Mack Hollins Vet Minimum, had no other season historically over 223 yards
Curtis Samuel 11.5M AAV
Zach Ertz 10.5M AAV, Tight End signed 2022 (Same year as MVS)
Dalton Schultz Rookie Deal, was playing on 5th year Option @ 10.9M, Tight End
Tyler Higbee 7.25M AAV, Tight End signed 2019

MVS 10M AAV.

For comparative production from a WR, MVS actually cost comparatively than the veteran receivers around his production. Not a great deal by any means, but not the albatross that you're making it out to be. In fact, one could claim compared to those counterparts on that list and the fact their contracts were written before the Christian Kirk contract and before MVS contract, one could claim that his contract is cheaper than it should be.

I'm not going to argue that, but it's not an albatross and he's not awful like you're attempting to make him out to be.

Tons of players would love to play here but won’t take a discount to do it. Here’s hoping he is willing though. He is a FA so he no longer has to concern himself with who Arizona could trade him to.

btw Hopkins had 717 yards in 9 games last year.

With Colt McCoy as his QB for most of those games as well.

Would we rather have WR Deandre Hopkins or DE Yannick Ngakoue for 2/3rd - 1/2 the price or maybe NT Ndamukong Suh?

Hopkins would be our best WR, Ngakoue would be our best edge rusher, Ndamukong Suh would be our best NT... by a mile.

Some good options still out there for sure.

I can see going either way, however

The KC DL is good enough to win a SB.

The WR room is a bag of ? marks and MVS.

Would he though? Expecting an even better season from George this year.