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Donger 02-23-2011 01:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBaker488 (Post 7448085)
Your behind the curve friend - spot crude has been over a c-note for a week or 2 now because Brent Crude (that's what they trade most over in London and other markets in those areas), has been over a 100 for a couple weeks and is over 110 right now !
Have you heard of Cushing, OK ? Well that's a hub for transporting and storing WTI, and they've run out of storage capacity so it's trading much lower than Brent, but Brent is what they use back East anyway to refine and produce gasoline and other petro products so people back East are really paying for the going/spot price of Brent.
But the big question is when will Obama and his tree-hugger buddies re-open
drilling in the Gulf of Mexico ? With the Middle East going up in flames, I think it's about time ?
Yes, I know that Brent's been over $100 for a while now.

Discuss Thrower 02-23-2011 01:17 PM
We're so ****ed.

Donger 02-23-2011 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Town Fan 1988 (Post 7448121)
We're so ****ed.
Pretty much all that "we" can do to influence the price is to reduce our demand. We did it before. We can do it again.

BigChiefFan 02-23-2011 01:24 PM
It's all by design-we ****ed the OPEC nations and now they are coming back to bite us in the ass.

InChiefsHeaven 02-23-2011 02:11 PM
Somewhere GW is watching and wondering how come we're not blaming Obama for this shit...

mnchiefsguy 02-23-2011 02:14 PM
Was channeling flipping at 1 am last night and caught a bit of Glen Beck....he was inducing mass panic, and that gas would be $7 a gallon by summer, and $10 a gallon when the islamic unrest reaches Saudi Arabia. Hopefully he is incorrect, as that would be very, very bad for the economy.

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7448278)
Was channeling flipping at 1 am last night and caught a bit of Glen Beck....he was inducing mass panic, and that gas would be $7 a gallon by summer, and $10 a gallon when the islamic unrest reaches Saudi Arabia. Hopefully he is incorrect, as that would be very, very bad for the economy.
I seen that to.
Time to fire up the 1902 75hp Case Steam tractor & drive it to work

Bugeater 02-23-2011 02:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7448291)
I seen that to.
Time to fire up the 1902 75hp Case Steam tractor & drive it to work
You may be on to something there. Donger, what are coal prices sitting at right now?

Donger 02-23-2011 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7448301)
You may be on to something there. Donger, what are coal prices sitting at right now?
I don't know, but the Kingdom gets involved in this, I will be seriously concerned.

Donger 02-23-2011 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7448278)
Was channeling flipping at 1 am last night and caught a bit of Glen Beck....he was inducing mass panic, and that gas would be $7 a gallon by summer, and $10 a gallon when the islamic unrest reaches Saudi Arabia. Hopefully he is incorrect, as that would be very, very bad for the economy.
I wouldn't put much stock in that.

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7448301)
You may be on to something there. Donger, what are coal prices sitting at right now?
It burns wood silly

007 02-23-2011 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 7448274)
Somewhere GW is watching and wondering how come we're not blaming Obama for this shit...
****ing this.

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 02:45 PM
I blame Clinton & Monica

mnchiefsguy 02-23-2011 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448323)
I wouldn't put much stock in that.
I thought it was a bit far fetched. Glen Beck always strikes me as a "sky is falling", "world is coming to an end" type, so I took his very dire predictions with a grain of salt. I do agree that if unrest hits the Kingdom, gas prices will be moving up in a hurry.

Donger 02-23-2011 02:46 PM
Because there's not much that Obama can do to influence crude oil pricing, just as there wasn't much for Bush to do.

Tapping the SPR is about it (other than starting wars, etc.)

I realize that there's a double standard with Bush being an "oil man," but...

Donger 02-23-2011 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 7448355)
I thought it was a bit far fetched. Glen Beck always strikes me as a "sky is falling", "world is coming to an end" type, so I took his very dire predictions with a grain of salt. I do agree that if unrest hits the Kingdom, gas prices will be moving up in a hurry.
Crude oil prices and therefore gasoline (and every other product that consumes crude).

I'd say there's about a $10/barrel "this Libya thing is scarring the sh*t out of us" factor in the present price of crude. Libya exports about 1.5 million barrels of crude per day, which isn't a whole lot. The Saudis export about 10 million barrels per day and sit on 20% of the world's proven reserves.

So, if it hits in the Kingdom, I would expect a panic jump in crude to about $140 to $150/barrel.

That equates to $4.00/gallon gasoline pricing.

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 02:54 PM
what happens if something like the 90s golf war & they set fires to the rigs or they walk off the job & nothing is being pumped out of the ground & exported ? Is the $ky the limit ?
I like to wish for the best . But be prepared for the worst

007 02-23-2011 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448359)
Because there's not much that Obama can do to influence crude oil pricing, just as there wasn't much for Bush to do.

Tapping the SPR is about it (other than starting wars, etc.)

I realize that there's a double standard with Bush being an "oil man," but...
Of course neither of them had any control over it. We are just referring to the idiots in the media that always blamed "Bush and his cronies" every time the price started to go up. Yet, with Obama, not a single ounce of blame.

It's just an observation of how pointless it is to pay attention to the media.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7448403)
what happens if something like the 90s golf war & they set fires to the rigs or they walk off the job & nothing is being pumped out of the ground & exported ? Is the $ky the limit ?
I like to wish for the best . But be prepared for the worst
Like I said, I would expect an immediate jump to $140 to $150/barrel. If the supply actually stops?

I don't even want to think about it.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guru (Post 7448415)
Of course neither of them had any control over it. We are just referring to the idiots in the media that always blamed "Bush and his cronies" every time the price started to go up. Yet, with Obama, not a single ounce of blame.

It's just an observation of how pointless it is to pay attention to the media.
Meh. I don't sweat it.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448427)
Like I said, I would expect an immediate jump to $140 to $150/barrel. If the supply actually stops?

I don't even want to think about it.
The feeling would be similar to getting ****ed by an Elephant.

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:06 PM
This is what happens when you become beholden to things you can't control. We should have longed ago moved away from oil. We only have ourselves to blame.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7448439)
The feeling would be similar to getting ****ed by an Elephant.
Well, from a supply/demand view, if the supply from the Kingdom were to stop, the global spare capacity would cease to exist. Right now, the spare capacity GLOBALLY is about 5 million barrels/day. The United States alone consumes 20 million barrels/day. The kingdom supplies about 10 million barrels/day.

Bugeater 02-23-2011 03:09 PM
Time to start panic buying!

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448448)
This is what happens when you become beholden to things you can't control. We should have longed ago moved away from oil. We only have ourselves to blame.
Move away to what? farmers need fuel to plant & harvest.
I dont see any alternative resource than can move the types of machines it takes to farm this country. Maybe Im wrong ? In the end we starve

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7448461)
Move away to what? farmers need fuel to plant & harvest.
I dont see any alternative resource than can move the types of machines it takes to farm this country. Maybe Im wrong ? In the end we starve
My point was we should have been working on removing our dependency of foreign oil decades ago yet we didn't because it was cheap.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7448456)
Time to start panic buying!
LMAO

I did tell my wife to fill up the The Beast on her way down the mountain today, though.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448473)
My point was we should have been working on removing our dependency of foreign oil decades ago yet we didn't because it was cheap.
Our demand has actually dropped over the last few years (since 2008), I believe. But, I understand your sentiment and don't disagree. Unfortunately, we are still massively dependent on crude.

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448473)
My point was we should have been working on removing our dependency of foreign oil decades ago yet we didn't because it was cheap.
I agree
Now Fox news is saying their is a facebook page calling for an uprising in Saudi for early March
Day of rage they are calling it YA

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448448)
This is what happens when you become beholden to things you can't control. We should have longed ago moved away from oil. We only have ourselves to blame.
This x infinity. Its sickening how far behind we are in alternative fuels.

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448480)
Our demand has actually dropped over the last few years (since 2008), I believe. But, I understand your sentiment and don't disagree. Unfortunately, we are still massively dependent on crude.
Obviously we are bigger than Brazil but the majority of vehicles run on sugar ethanol now.

We are ****ing America and yet we still haven't figured out how to get off foreign oil. It is pathetic.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7448490)
I agree
Now Fox news is saying their is a facebook page calling for an uprising in Saudi for early March
Day of rage they are calling it YA
I read this on another site too.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448497)
Obviously we are bigger than Brazil but the majority of vehicles run on sugar ethanol now.

We are ****ing America and yet we still haven't figured out how to get off foreign oil. It is pathetic.
Our climate is not conducive to growing sugar cane, unfortunately. Their's is. Even if we began using all the corn we grow to fuel us, it still wouldn't be enough. Ethanol is NOT a solution.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448497)
Obviously we are bigger than Brazil but the majority of vehicles run on sugar ethanol now.

We are ****ing America and yet we still haven't figured out how to get off foreign oil. It is pathetic.
Yep. The blame goes to Capitol Hill. ****ing Politicians.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:27 PM
The immediate future for us is to keep making our cars more fuel efficient and continue the introduction of hybrids and plug-ins. That's it, really.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448506)
Our climate is not conducive to growing sugar cane, unfortunately. Their's is. Even if we began using all the corn we grow to fuel us, it still wouldn't be enough. Ethanol is NOT a solution.
Yeah, corn ethanol is a joke. It takes way to much corn to produce ethanol.

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448506)
Our climate is not conducive to growing sugar cane, unfortunately. Their's is. Even if we began using all the corn we grow to fuel us, it still wouldn't be enough. Ethanol is NOT a solution.
I realize it is not but we surely could have come up with something a whole lot better.

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7448507)
Yep. The blame goes to Capitol Hill. ****ing Politicians.
True but you can't forget the automakers and the oil companies that have squashed some of the companies trying to change things.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7448507)
Yep. The blame goes to Capitol Hill. ****ing Politicians.
The simple fact is that gasoline is a very efficient method of powering an engine and is still very cost-efficient, too.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448524)
True but you can't forget the automakers and the oil companies that have squashed some of the companies trying to change things.
I still blame congress because the automakers and oil companies have lobbyists that influence lawmakers decisions on these issues. That's my theory anyway.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448519)
I realize it is not but we surely could have come up with something a whole lot better.
Like what?

Solar? Obviously not.

Hydrogen? Hydrogen is NOT an energy source, but we could use it to generate electricity through power cells. Unfortunately, it's very expensive.

Electric/Hybrid? Like I said, that's the best bet right now, along with increased MPG limits.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448525)
The simple fact is that gasoline is a very efficient method of powering an engine and is still very cost-efficient, too.
I know. Gotta take the good with the bad. We've seen both. The worst is still yet to come.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448524)
True but you can't forget the automakers and the oil companies that have squashed some of the companies trying to change things.
Oh stop it.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448542)
Like what?

Solar? Obviously not.

Hydrogen? Hydrogen is NOT an energy source, but we could use it to generate electricity through power cells. Unfortunately, it's very expensive.

Electric/Hybrid? Like I said, that's the best bet right now, along with increased MPG limits.
The Chevy Volt is a step in that direction. Its just too bad it wasn't around 5 yrs ago.

Dayze 02-23-2011 03:40 PM
rickshaws. / thread

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 03:41 PM
couple of my new cars
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& my new 4x4 off road
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Donger 02-23-2011 03:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7448552)
The Chevy Volt is a step in that direction. Its just too bad it wasn't around 5 yrs ago.
I was discussing what would happen if the country switched over to pure electric vehicles with some nice chaps from an electric utility last week.

They just laughed.

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448542)
Like what?

Solar? Obviously not.

Hydrogen? Hydrogen is NOT an energy source, but we could use it to generate electricity through power cells. Unfortunately, it's very expensive.

Electric/Hybrid? Like I said, that's the best bet right now, along with increased MPG limits.
We probably should have been working on building the infrastructure and cars for electric for a while now.

Donger 02-23-2011 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448568)
We probably should have been working on building the infrastructure and cars for electric for a while now.
The market didn't demand it, plain and simple.

If you want electric to be the future, we HAVE to build new plants, including nuclear. Renewable (solar, wind, geo, etc.) won't provide the new demand required from a massive shift to electric.

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448545)
Oh stop it.
You disagree that they didn't try?

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448562)
I was discussing what would happen if the country switched over to pure electric vehicles with some nice chaps from an electric utility last week.

They just laughed.
Why is that funny?

Donger 02-23-2011 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448573)
You disagree that they didn't try?
Heck, I don't even know what you are referring to. Please tell me not the 250 mpg carburetor...

Donger 02-23-2011 03:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7448575)
Why is that funny?
Because our present generation capacity couldn't handle the new demand. They laughed in more of a "are you fucking kidding, Donger!?" kind of way.

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448571)
The market didn't demand it, plain and simple.

If you want electric to be the future, we HAVE to build new plants, including nuclear. Renewable (solar, wind, geo, etc.) won't provide the new demand required from a massive shift to electric.
I know and we should have been building the infrastructure decades ago. Nixon talked about getting off foreign oil in 71 and here we are today still sucking the tit.

LiveSteam 02-23-2011 03:50 PM
Electric cars are great. But i dnt see it as viable for trucking,railroading or farming ever
Ehh actually railroads would be better suited for it than im giving them credit for.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448580)
Because our present generation capacity couldn't handle the new demand. They laughed in more of a "are you fucking kidding, Donger!?" kind of way.
Ahh. Gotcha.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7448587)
Electric cars are great. But i dnt see it as viable for trucking,railroading or farming ever
Biodiesel would work well there, IMO

dirk digler 02-23-2011 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 7448587)
Electric cars are great. But i dnt see it as viable for trucking,railroading or farming ever
Ehh actually railroads would be better suited for it than im giving them credit for.
I don't think getting rid of oil permanently is ever going to happen but if the majority of personal vehicles ran electric we could probably sustain our self with domestic oil.

007 02-23-2011 04:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448606)
I don't think getting rid of oil permanently is ever going to happen but if the majority of personal vehicles ran electric we could probably sustain our self with domestic oil.
Only if they make them affordable. Something we can't seem to accomplish in America.

Hydrae 02-23-2011 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448448)
This is what happens when you become beholden to things you can't control. We should have longed ago moved away from oil. We only have ourselves to blame.
Are you trying to say Jimmy Carter was right? :D

Donger 02-23-2011 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7448585)
I know and we should have been building the infrastructure decades ago. Nixon talked about getting off foreign oil in 71 and here we are today still sucking the tit.
That's because nothing else has presented itself as an economically-viable alternative.

Demonpenz 02-23-2011 04:31 PM
maybe we can use Dongers Hot air :Rolleyes:

dirk digler 02-23-2011 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 7448659)
Are you trying to say Jimmy Carter was right? :D
YES

WV 02-23-2011 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7448552)
The Chevy Volt is a step in that direction. Its just too bad it wasn't around 5 yrs ago.
Chevy sold us another bill of goods with the Volt. It's no more an "Electric" car than the Prius and yet they're being hailed and given awards for it.

BigMeatballDave 02-23-2011 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WVChiefFan (Post 7448708)
Chevy sold us another bill of goods with the Volt. It's no more an "Electric" car than the Prius and yet they're being hailed and given awards for it.
It does use gas, but its to power a generator for longer trips. Its far more electric than a Prius.

Donger 02-23-2011 05:07 PM
The Nissan Leaf is all-electric.

WV 02-23-2011 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BCD (Post 7448725)
It does use gas, but its to power a generator for longer trips. Its far more electric than a Prius.
True, but it is not an Electric car as it's advertised. In fact on long trips the gas motor actually turns the wheels.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...?tag=mncol;txt

Donger 02-23-2011 05:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WVChiefFan (Post 7448753)
True, but it is not an Electric car as it's advertised. In fact on long trips the gas motor actually turns the wheels.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...?tag=mncol;txt
Well, yeah. If you see a range on an EV that is more than 100 miles on a charge, it has some other method of generation.

WV 02-23-2011 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7448766)
Well, yeah. If you see a range on an EV that is more than 100 miles on a charge, it has some other method of generation.
Just irks me how it's adevertised and it's GM so it's one more thorn to Tax payers, but that's for another forum!

R8RFAN 02-23-2011 07:37 PM
WHY IS IT IT IS 2011 and they can't even get close to the gas mileage of cars from 78-81?
Look at this list of cars and gas mileage
http://www.mpgomatic.com/2007/10/08/...ars-1978-1981/

007 02-23-2011 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449036)
WHY IS IT IT IS 2011 and they can't even get close to the gas mileage of cars from 78-81?
Look at this list of cars and gas mileage
http://www.mpgomatic.com/2007/10/08/...ars-1978-1981/
Thats just sickening.

KurtCobain 02-23-2011 08:03 PM
I want free gas.

Bugeater 02-23-2011 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449036)
WHY IS IT IT IS 2011 and they can't even get close to the gas mileage of cars from 78-81?
Look at this list of cars and gas mileage
http://www.mpgomatic.com/2007/10/08/...ars-1978-1981/
ROFL Have you ever driven a 1981 Ford Escort?

R8RFAN 02-23-2011 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7449098)
ROFL Have you ever driven a 1981 Ford Escort?
as a matter of fact I have.... boring as hell but hey I bet it would out run that 39k prius piece of shit

SAUTO 02-23-2011 08:35 PM
I have a 79 coupe deville with a 425 and a th400 trans.

Drove it to training camp this year and got just over 20 mpg. That car is the size of two or three cars made today. Why don't theselittle cars get better mileage?
I don't like conspiracy theorists but something is fishy
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R8RFAN 02-23-2011 08:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 7449161)
I have a 79 coupe deville with a 425 and a th400 trans.

Drove it to training camp this year and got just over 20 mpg. That car is the size of two or three cars made today. Why don't theselittle cars get better mileage?
I don't like conspiracy theorists but something is fishy
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My thoughts exactly... Some of it comes from all that emissions bs on them now too...

Bugeater 02-23-2011 08:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449167)
My thoughts exactly... Some of it comes from all that emissions bs on them now too...
The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.

SAUTO 02-23-2011 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7449178)
The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.
Dude a1979 cadillac coupe deville.

What car out today weighs more than that ****er?
Big block and a four barrel carb.
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R8RFAN 02-23-2011 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 7449178)
The comfort and safety features on today's cars also add weight. None of those listed are going to be very pleasant to drive, and they're all probably grossly underpowered when compared to today's cars as well.
Chevy Aveo weight 2568
<table><tbody><tr class="even"><th>Horsepower @RPM</th><td>108@6400</td></tr><tr class="odd"><th>Fuel Economy Cty/Hwy</th><td>27/34</td></tr></tbody></table>


Ford escort (can't find weight)
Ford's first "World Car", the Escort, was introduced in the North American market for the model year 1981. The Ford Escort (a totally different version) had been available in other parts of the world as a rear wheel drive car from 1968-1980. The North American launch of the Escort coincided with the European release of the MK3 Escort. Ford Motor Company needed a new subcompact car to replace the outdated Pinto. The first Escort, and Mercury's version called the Lynx, was powered by a carbureted 1.6L 4 cylinder sporting a 2 barrel carburetor that produced 69 horsepower. The engines were SOHC (single overhead cam) designs and called the CVH, which stood for "Compound Angle Hemispherical" combustion chamber. This was "basic transportation" and needed more power under the hood. These cars were all front wheel drive, had independent 4-wheel suspension, rack & pinion steering, and a choice of a 3-speed automatic or 4-speed manual transmission. They were available as a 2-door hatchback or a 4-door wagon. Initially, there were a lot of recalls and build-quality problems. These engines suffered many head gasket failures due to having an aluminum cylinder head on an iron block. The fix was stretchable (one time use only) head bolts and a new cylinder head gasket design.



The point is they have been able to increase horse power as both sport a 1.6L engine.... but the MPG has decreased....

Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?

WV 02-23-2011 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 7449211)
Remember that CRX or the Geo Metro with the 3 cyl engine? Why do they not make something like that now in mass production?
Or remember the Subaru Justy! Unfortunately they do mass produce cars like this, but only in Europe.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ru_Justy_2.JPG


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