I wouldn't and I'm being serious. Raji only started a couple of games his first year. Chiefs fans should know that it takes time to develop d-linemen more than any other fanbase.

After teams get a year of tape on Tannehill, he's going to be toast. Just like Cam Newton. I have never liked Tannehill. He's doesn't have it. The way some people judge QBs around here is crazy. It's all about six games I guess. College or pro...

Seriously he said that?

Boom.

He didn't look good until last year when Zorn was in KC.

BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAreerun.

He was a game manager until Zorn left.

I guess you can give all the credit to Zorn if you want. I know it's hard to find bright spots in the Chiefs organization these days and if Zorn is yours than good for you!

Shit, draft Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson. Why not?

He said if they draft a QB it will be a bust. Kept bringing up the year with couch, Mcnabb, and akili smith. Said you have a better chance with a free agent QB like brees

I would really like to cockpunch that sack of shit.

Okay. Guess he better not quit his day job as a radio hack.

Wilson, Weeden yes

Foles, Cousins, and Osweiler are just more garbage prospects whose only hope of attaining starter-level quality is to sit for years and years in a good QB system with a good QB coach.

As much as I hated the Poe pick, I'd take him over any of those guys. At least if he works out, then we're also getting a REAL franchise QB this April to pair along with him.

Those other assholes are going to sit and rot on the bench for years

I'm not saying that if we draft a first round QB he will be a bust. However, there is a 70%of it happening in any year. Not just this year. Odds are he is going to bust. I do think this is a bad QB class but I still want to take one in the first as of now. At this point we have to roll the dice.

I don't really know if I agree with Petro on this but, his ideas are not all that out there. I think alot of Chiefs fans are setting themselves up for heartache. It's kind of like half of the board fell in love on their first date with Geno. It's pretty weird really. I think the "suck for Luck" thing is really only valid about once every 30 years. He was a rare prospect.

Soren, I am flying to KC for the express purpose of cock-punching you.

Why?

In a league that's DOMINATED by guys that can extend plays, you want to take a flyer on a guy that's practically glued to the pocket. And one with significant character issues to boot.

:rolleyes:

You're in no position to talk about how other people evaluate QBs when you say you value leadership above everything else and then in the same breath mention Jay ****ing Cutler.

Let me say this one more time.... Jay Cutler is like Tyler Wilson because the media gives him a bad rap.

Cock-punch.

70% seems pretty high. I guess depends on what "bust" means. To me, respectability as a team's primary QB makes the guy a "not bust". And let's be honest-- the Chiefs with one of the "not bust" QBs I list below would be FAR better.

Since 2002, QBs taken in the 1st round:
2012: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden
2011: Newton, Gabbert, Ponder, Locker
2010: Bradford, Tebow
2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2008: Ryan, Flacco
2007: Russell, Quinn
2006: Young, Leinart, Cutler
2005: Smith, Rodgers, Campbell
2004: Manning, Rivers, Losman, Roethlisberger
2003: Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2002: Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

Not busts (18):
Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Newton, Ponder, Bradford, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Palmer

Busts (16): Weeden, Gabbert, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Young, Leinart, Campbell, Losman, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey

You can quibble about certain guys here and there. I took a guess on the guys in 2012 and 2011 since they're still so fresh. Some not busts will actually be busts (like Sanchez perhaps) and some busts may one day become not busts (like those first four names). The point is, it's about a 50% hit rate for getting a good QB.

To get a TRUE franchise QB, the rate is probably closer to your 70% probability of failure. If you remove all the 2011 and 2012 QBs from both lists and then tally it up I get this:

Franchise QBs (9): Stafford, Ryan, Flacco, Cutler, Smith, Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger

Busts/game managers (15): The rest

9/24 hit rate, or a 64% chance of not drafting a true franchise QB likely capable of winning a Super Bowl

I'm not going to do the DT analysis, but I'll bet it's no better than the QB odds.

Realistically, SOMETHING has to be drafted. I'll take the QB odds any day.

The best two QBs of the past decade were guys that were glued to the pocket. Again, Mallett used to have character issues. That is well documented and is the reason he fell in the draft. However, he is now walking the line and staying straight under the strictest coach.

I didn't say we should trade for him today. I said he was worth a look.

The media is irrelevant to how good a QB is or if you want him on your team.

The media gives Ben Roethlisberger a bad rap all the time, and he has two Super Bowls.

No. Jay Cutler is a huge asshole and deserves a bad rap. Jay Cutler is just a terrible POS human being.

-Dexter McCluster is quicker than Jamaal Charles

-Brandon Siler is a better tackler than Derrick Johnson

-Geno Smith has character issues because he wore his hat backwards in a press conference

-Ryan Mallett has a good chance of being a better QB than any of the top 3 QBs in the 2013 draft.


Ladies and gentlemen, the world according to TardBob

LMAO

I figured it like this.

A decent QB needs to make at least one pro bowl. If guys like Cassel and Grbac can do it, so should anyone considered "decent." Making the pro bowl doesn't make you a franchise QB. However, it does mean that at least once you were in the top 10 of the league.

So that means over the past decade, 30% (9 out of 30) first round QBs were decent or better. That includes Andy Dalton and Cam Newton.

Smith to KC, STILL, per WF Mock.

Eat it, ****-o.

Do you see the difference though? Rothlesberger is knocked for what he did off the field. Cutler is knocked for what he appears to do on the field. The truth is that I don't even like the guy. He is one of my most hated players. However, he does get a bad rap and he is tough as nails imo. Did you see him last night? He took the shot of the year and finished the game.

Look at Chicago. Look at the QBs they went through and the years they spend trying to find one. They were just like us and now they have a franchise QB. A guy people want to play for. You look at what that guy has done over the past few years and it's pretty damn impressive. We need a guy who will yell at a linemen now and again. It's part of his job imo.

DT is the weakest position in this draft? There are like TEN potential first round defensive tackles, of which about five are juniors. I think you are a bronco-fan-mult trolling this community.

Good job except for the second one. I said Geno Smith needs to grow up and carry himself better. He needs to not wear his hat sideways or backwards like Rothlesberger, Romo, Young, or Vick. He needs to be better than them in interviews etc. He needs to man up.

Honestly, he hasn't worn his hat backwards all year so he probably has some good handlers. He has imporved in this area. Now he just needs to do it on the field. He needs to rally his team and carry them when things go bad. You know how Flacco ran for a first down on third and long against KC to pretty much finish the game? That's the kind of guy we need. Geno isn't there yet.

He needs to not wear his hat sideways or backwards

What a cartoon ROFL

Like Flacco used to do at Delaware? Are we suggesting that Smith isn't a finished product yet?

There are three first rounders and the rest are not looking good. I am including the underclassmen. The weird thing is that all three could be 3-4 NTs. Pretty ironic after we spent several years trying to find a NT. These are the three.

Hankins, Ohio State

Lotulelei, Utah

Jenkins, UGA

I don't know what Joe did at Delaware and I doubt you do either. We all watch alot of Smith and no, he's not a finished product. However, every week I am looking for the same things and not seeing them in Geno. There are still games to be played.

Kawann Short?
Louis Nix?
Sharrif Floyd?
Bennie Logan?

And that's the point. He was considered by many to be a second-round prospect coming out. There were legit flaws and concerns with him, as there are with all prospects.

Point is, the good outweighs the bad, and teams have to take a shot. It looks like the Chiefs are finally getting in the game.

Second rounders imo.

Well, at least we can establish that your opinion is worth less than shit.

I am for taking a shot. However, odds are he's going to bust and that's my point. Too many people are falling in love on the first date.

He might. And? No big deal; take another shot. That's what legitimate franchises do.

Yep, I agree.

All I am saying is let's not make the 2013 QBs something they are not.

Why are you guys still arguing with the dipshit? He is clearly ****ing stupid, just ignore it.

Seriously. It can't be worse than the last 20 year playoff drought. We may not even have to give up extra picks to pick Smith. Fantastic. If I am the Chiefs and wind up with the first or second overall I would draft Smith in the first and look at Logan Thomas in the third or fourth as well.

Not a bad idea at all. I would love for Murray to drop into the third, and then I'd go get him in addition to a first-round QB.

I am also pretty high on Murray.

I am definately for drafting two QBs. Logan Thomas or the guy from Florida State would be good. I haven't decided if I would be willing to move up yet. I guess we'll see where we are when the dust settles. I definately do not think we should give anything close to what Washington gave for any of these guys. They aren't that different from each other in talent level. There was a huge difference between Tannehill and RGIII.

I am a huge UGA fan and I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole right now. He chokes in big games and is not dependable. He's going to stay another year. I am almost 100% sure of it.

ROFL

Jay Cutler has a bad rap because he's a bitch. Don't blame it on the media.

So Mallett "used" to have character issues and is getting the benefit of the doubt because he's in New England.

But you can't stand Cam Newton because he's "not a leader" and you refuse to acknowledge that he might actually grow up.

Your idiocy has been duly noted, Mr. Pioli.

Agreed. This could have been a good class if Barkley and/or Wilson were worth a shit.

LMAO

JFC bob knob black might be the dumbest mother****er ever to post on chiefsplanet
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I started to reply to all this bullshit and then I realized who I was responding to. The people twisting my words in this thread are the same people that thought Stanzi should be the starter this season. They put all their hope in a guy who couldn't even beat out the bullshit QBs we had on the roster who had already struck out in the league.

The same guys are going all in on Geno six or seven weeks into the season and refuse to admit he hasn't played well at times. It's pretty much the same...

Just saying...

It's a tie between Bobtard and ChiefsandO'sfan.

Not true. Your face is butt.

The latter is just a whiny ****ing bitch. Oh and he ****s his mom.

The former is a drooling mouth breathing window licker who is missing part of a chromosome. And he likes to fist his grandma while his daddy tapes it.

Both aren't needed here anymore and probably never were.
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No. Next

I said Ricky Stanzi should start over slapdicks Matt Cassel and Brady Quinn. That's nothing to point and laugh at.

YOU on the other hand, have said some of the dumbest ****ing shit this forum has ever seen. All in the course of two or so months.

TIIIIIIIIIIIIIINY bit of a difference there

So, we should all be wanting Murray?

So far, I think I'd rather have Wilson, Murray, Smith then Barkley. But that's subject to change as the season goes on lol. Isn't Barkley's arm strength and deep ball a question mark?

I like to see guys put up numbers in college and win, but that can only tell you so much.

Likely, this will get worked out at pro days and the combine.

You have to not only take what the guy did in college in mind, but also project what he can be at the next level.

I think a guy like Bray will rise up some boards once he gets into pro days and the combine, based on his arm strength and measurables.

It will be interesting to see how many underclassmen declare because they think they have a good shot at getting drafted before Barkley and Wilson.

Who is refusing to admit he hasn't played well at times, Mr. "Geno can't win a Super Bowl because he's black"?

Not cool dude. That wasn't me. You guys need to stop with the race stuff. It's not about that.

Fine.

Answer the question.

Name ONE person that has refused to acknowledge Geno has played poorly the last 2 games.

Ok, so they make an excuse preceeded by "he had an off day." Or, "he had a bad game." Whatever, he's overhyped and that's the point. It's just like the Stanzi thing. Expectations are unrealistic.

His talent is unquestionable.

He's got that same "talented lazy" that drives me nuts about Franklin. Franklin is far worse but he's not (or ever will be) a 1st round consideration.

It's the same footwork that drives me nuts. It's lazy. They don't have to develop it and it almost looks like the HC's aren't even giving a $#it.

I'm supposed to suck some guy off because of his arm or his legs while he's constantly throwing of his back foot and doing $#it that will KILL him at the next level.

I'll be honest: I don't give a $#it how good an athlete our future QB is. I want a passer of the ****ing football. I want the Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Boomer, etc. The guy with the talent but not the huge ego or baggage.

















But honestly, I'd butst it in my britches if we even spent a 1st on a QB...

:(Ya know fellow Chiefs Fans,Here @ CP.I'm beginning to wonder if most of the posters are high school freshman.This thread exemplifies such an observance..No wonder I don't visit much..I''l come back when everyone grows up.Ya Geno Smith,for now.I'm out.

Stop moving the goalposts and answer the question, IF you can. :hmmm:

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!

NO DON'T GO

but...but... IF YOU LEAVE ME NOW, YOU TAKE AWAY THE BIGGEST PART OF ME....


ooooh oh OOOOOOOH, BABY, PLEASE DON'T GO!

what's it like being the most racist, KKK mother****er on planet earth? jesus ****ing christ, it's not cool when you flinch every time you see a black man and a white woman holding hands. this is 2012 you ****ing mongoloid--and yes, they ARE from the same species.

you need some ****ing counseling, man... do us all a favor and begin to accept the fact that black people are the same as us, it's just a difference in skin pigment. that's ALL.

All of you people need to settle the **** down. Geno Smith has a glorious arm. He is not a headcase. He is not suddenly more risky after two bad games than he was after a few ridiculous ones. Every QB has bad games. How will he respond? How does he act when things don't go well? These are topics that matter, not whether or not he had a bad game vs. the best coached team in college football (and I say that as a damn KU fan).

You need to realize that first round talent at the QB position does not mean that he is a guaranteed prospect.

That's why Andrew Luck was Andrew Luck. He was as close to a "sure thing" as you are going to find. Sure Things don't exist, especially at QB. And look - RG3 is even having a better year. So... go figure.

The point is, it's this kind of pussy thinking that enables pussy GMs to pussy out of drafting a QB in the first round like a bunch of pussies.

You can all talk until you're blue in the tits about why Geno Smith or Barkley or Wilson isn't worth the risk. You know what you sound like? The guy who keeps dating great girls but breaks up with them because he's unsure she's "the one." Lemme tell you something... there is no "the one." You find someone that has all the qualities you're looking for, you make the commitment, and then you spend the next several years tweaking and adjusting to find that harmonious partnership.

Sack up and take the plunge or die alone looking for the sure thing. Your call.

Geno Smith 4 life, yo.

:clap::clap::clap:

I don't doubt his talent. I do have doubts about his IQ, work ethic and leadership..All the things you see in the top QBs in the NFL.

god bless you

Pro days are THE most useless tests to gauge a QB. Every QB has a great pro day.

amen.

:clap:

Very risky.

FYP.

Jesus ****ing Christ. There is absolutely no good reason to doubt these things about the guy. Question his coaching, flaws in his game, whatever. But if you did 3 minutes of ****ing research you would know that this guy is probably the smartest, hardest-working QB in the entire class.

You have no good reason to question those things. Unless he "just looks" dumb and lazy to you. In which case I think I know why.