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Imon Yourside 01-21-2019 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 14062075)
So you didn't "tell" anyone anything.

You're hoping.

Me too

Told you we're hoping he got fired already, if not make it happen post haste!

suzzer99 01-21-2019 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 14062015)
Never would have imagined a 2nd round rookie getting torched by a hall of fame TE.

Crazy shit

An HOF tight end who is also old and slow.

Might have been nice not to have him there was my main point.

But the rest of our D was so gassed, from sucking so bad throughout the game that they couldn't get off the field. So we didn't even have a bunch of our starters in with the season on the line.

chinaski 01-21-2019 07:23 PM

Sutton should have been fired after TMZ broke that story of him hitting a woman in a hotel after the Chargers loss. I mean, they fired Hunt for the same thing, but no, THE OLD WHITE MAN GETS A PASS.

Hammock Parties 01-21-2019 07:26 PM

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dirk digler 01-21-2019 08:06 PM

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There you go Reid, all the reason you need to fire Sutton
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O.city 01-21-2019 08:26 PM

The defense under Sutton has always tried to play around guys instead of thru them. They don’t fight off blocks or play with an aggression.

They need to blow the whole staff out and just start over

ChiefsFanatic 01-21-2019 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon (Post 14061715)
Offensive Coordinator Reid was outcoached by Head Coach Billichek in the AFCCG.

FYP



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RobertWeathers 01-21-2019 08:30 PM

Honest question:

Is Sutton the problem or the personnel?

My take: Personnel.

BleedingRed 01-21-2019 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers (Post 14062263)
Honest question:

Is Sutton the problem or the personnel?

My take: Personnel.

Little bit on both, what make Sutton so much worse is the fact he didn’t adjust to his personal by calling for double teams and LB in zone over middle

RobertWeathers 01-21-2019 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 14062271)
Little bit on both, what make Sutton so much worse is the fact he didn’t adjust to his personal by calling for double teams and LB in zone over middle

I dunna know. I'm 1/2 way to rewatching the game. I'll get the All 22 on Wednesday.

To me, Sutton has always been a sound defensive coach. Hes just not a risk-taker IMO.

When he was with the Jets, they were loaded with LBs who can cover and play the run and had shut down CBs (Revis, Cromartie). He gave us major problems.

If you guys think hes time has passed, Im not in a position to debate. Hes up there in age. Maybe hes lost whatever creativity he has left?

ChiefsFanatic 01-21-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertWeathers (Post 14062263)
Honest question:

Is Sutton the problem or the personnel?

My take: Personnel.

I think it's Sutton, because good coaches adapt to the skills of their personnel.

Yet, Sutton calls his defense, his plays and concepts with no regard to the strengths and weaknesses of his players. If he needs a LB to drop in coverage or zone, and Speaks is in the game instead of DOD, it doesn't matter.

A good, competent Defensive Coordinator considers his his personnel when designing game plans and choosing defensive packages during a game. Sutton does not.

One of the things that Reid says that pisses me off the most is when he compliments Sutton for making adjustments, because he rarely makes adjustments that actually effect the outcome of the game.

If Ford, Houston, and Jones were not outstanding individual performers, we would have lost more than 4 games.

So, maybe we don't have many defensive players that are on the same level with those 3 guys, but it's the Defensive Coordinator's job to coach them up and to put them into positions designed to help them succeed.

Sutton routinely puts his players in positions that can only result in failure, unless the opposing team is just as bad as our defense.

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ShowtimeSBMVP 01-21-2019 09:01 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid should’ve replaced Defensive Coordinator Bob Sutton. Chiefs version of the Rex Ryan Defense is outdated &amp; heavily reliant on elite personnel that’s simply hard to assemble. Expect <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> replace Sutton this offseason. Folks in KC recognize talent &gt; performance.</p>&mdash; Chad Forbes (@NFLDraftBites) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1087198991723438080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

pugsnotdrugs19 01-21-2019 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14062253)
The defense under Sutton has always tried to play around guys instead of thru them. They don’t fight off blocks or play with an aggression.

They need to blow the whole staff out and just start over

Exactly. Yeah could they use better players sure but the same problems have shown up for 6 years regardless of who is out there. So it’s obviously a coaching/philosophy issue at its core.

I want the defense playing with aggression and fire with leads that Mahomes is bound to build up week after week.

FloridaMan88 01-21-2019 09:34 PM

Is it too much to ask to have a DC who can develop game plans like Belichick did in expertly shutting down the Chiefs offense in the first half?

tk13 01-21-2019 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 14062427)
Is it too much to ask to have a DC who can develop game plans like Belichick did in expertly shutting down the Chiefs offense in the first half?

Well Belichick is probably the best to ever do that. The guy has been shutting down high powered offenses for 30 years. That might be a high bar to reach, but it can certainly be better than what we've seen.


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