I think you freaking morons place too much value on a draft pick. So somebody somewhere decided each draft pick is worth "X" number amount. What's a 1.1 worth? Does that equate to Jalardass Russell? Ryan potLeaf? Alex Smith Hmm??

Whatever "draft pick value" number you all claim to use has zero meaning outside of whomever invented it.

How in the hell does a shitty player like Alex Smith have fans that go out of their way to defend a worthless POS like him. Amazing.

The Chargers did fine after Leaf. The Raiders well...3/4ths of Al Davis picks are just silly. Strangely Seabass may be one of his better moves.

That's exactly what I meant.

If you're making a decision based off a sample size of 10, wouldn't you want to go with most common denominator among those 10?

the chart is used for trade negotiation purposes and that is its primary purpose. If team X wants a certain pick or a certain player, it has to trade something of equivolent value. It's a tool, nothing more and nothing less.

Russell Wilson was taken in the 3rd round.

Most franchise QBs are taken in the first round. Once in a while a reach below that, like Montana, Brady, or Wilson sticks.

It can be done. The odds just aren't very good. Your best chance is to be so bad you get a high 1st round pick for a top QB prospect. The problem is the years when nobody is worth it. Then what do you do?

Battered fan syndrome?

Stockholm syndrome. Been hostages of Alex too long?

Alex is a vampire who sucks their blood?

Beats the shit out of me.

I've known some loser types who had to sabotage themselves at everything and pull defeat from the jaws of victory. Maybe it is just loser types who identify with another loser and want to wallow in Loser World.

"Hey, my QB is a loser. See, it's not so bad after all. We can all be losers together. One big loser family. Group hug!"

I can't argue with that .... not in the least bit. Maybe they take a QB in the 3rd/4th rd this year. Maybe next year. Who knows? Maybe that guy turns out to be the QBotF you all are hoping for.

If Alex Smith turns out to be the turd most here think he is, you get 6-10, 5-11, and you get a fairly high draft pick both years ... top 15, and then he gets shitcanned. If you get 9-7, 10-6 then you get playoffs and possibly a win - you draft mid 20's. If you draft EJ Geno Ryan Barkley Glennon this year at 1.1, and he gets you 4-14 and 5-11 - WHAT'S THE FREAKING DIFFERENCE?????

Some of the folks on this forum seriously just can't stand the thought of a winning team because it's been that way for 30 years. I get it. I really do. I don't know what it's like to have my favorite team go 2-14 and draft a QB at 1.1 who for 6 years turns out to be a bust.

I HOPE Alex wins a playoff game this year for KC. I really do. I can't realistically sit here and say he'll win a SB with KC. I hope he DOES win a SB with KC, just not against the 49ers. :LOL:

That's fair. And I happen to believe it's a tool that is worthless except to whatever mathematician invented it.

the thing is, Matt Moore can get kc just as many wins, so why trade a second and a high conditional for Alex Smith? As for taking a young QB high in the draft, yes, it's a gamble but there is a chance he could be something special (granted, with this year's crop a smaller chance, but still).

Agreed, although I'm not so sure Matt Moore is equal to Alex. And for the record, I'm no Alex lover - he is what he is. Also for the record, I've said it repeatedly that NONE of this year's QBs will EVER win a playoff game. EVER.

lol... Jimmy Johnson invented it as a tool. Granted, he's just a coach but he still invented it.

Then you evaluate who exactly is the best quarterback in the draft and you take him before you get the inclination someone else will.

Your opinion. Mine is that it's worthless. A second round pick is a second round pick. Period.