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DeezNutz 08-31-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6968395)
Alex for the suicide.

lol.

SPchief 08-31-2010 09:31 PM

COME ON YUUNNNNNIII

Hammock Parties 08-31-2010 09:31 PM

Haha.

You guys.

alnorth 08-31-2010 09:31 PM

and now unless something nutty happens that SB doesn't mean much. Its why you have to really be sure you'll make it before you go from second.

KCUnited 08-31-2010 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6968400)
and now unless something nutty happens that SB doesn't mean much. Its why you have to really be sure you'll make it before you go from second.

We'd have a better shot stealing home at this point.

SPchief 08-31-2010 09:33 PM

Mr. Clutch at the plate

alnorth 08-31-2010 09:35 PM

... and cue something nutty

Hammock Parties 08-31-2010 09:35 PM

**** you guys.

SPchief 08-31-2010 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6968400)
and now unless something nutty happens that SB doesn't mean much. Its why you have to really be sure you'll make it before you go from second.

Well, there's something you don't see everyday

KCUnited 08-31-2010 09:35 PM

I'll be damned.

Dartgod 08-31-2010 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6968410)
**** you guys.

ROFL

BWillie 08-31-2010 09:35 PM

Lol the stolen base helps out after all.

SPchief 08-31-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 6968402)
We'd have a better shot stealing home at this point.

Well, that's not technically a steal, but it'll work

SPchief 08-31-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 6968407)
Mr. Clutch at the plate

Yes, I'm qouting myself, but Mr. Clutch just took 4 straight pitches for probably the first time in his carreer

Al Bundy 08-31-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6968410)
**** you guys.

Haha.

tk13 08-31-2010 09:38 PM

Well, props to Bloomquist. That right there is the kind of situation you can't measure with statistics, but it won the game.

alnorth 08-31-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6968409)
... and cue something nutty

for some reason, in the back of my mind I wondered if something would happen right then. I try to make an observation about the value of stealing third, and the baseball Gods apparently got annoyed.

Reaper16 08-31-2010 09:44 PM

No rapture, no pleasure, no exquisite send greater than a walk-off wild pitch.

CaliforniaChief 08-31-2010 09:46 PM

Not sure if this has been posted, but the Royals have announced that they are NOT calling up Moose in September. It's the front page of the Star.

alnorth 08-31-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6968431)
No rapture, no pleasure, no exquisite send greater than a walk-off wild pitch.

I think I've listened to the Royals throw a walk-off wild pitch twice, but I think this is the first time I've heard the Royals win on one.

alnorth 08-31-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6968435)
Not sure if this has been posted, but the Royals have announced that they are NOT calling up Moose in September. It's the front page of the Star.

I'm fine with it. He's barely been in Omaha and his team is in a tight 3-way race to make the playoffs at the moment. Let him build confidence and win something while he can. If he comes roaring out of the gate next spring, then hopefully he'll be in KC by early June.

ChiefsCountry 08-31-2010 09:51 PM

Kind of intresting that Royals/Rangers are playing each other and the Cardinals/Astros are playing each other.

CaliforniaChief 08-31-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6968443)
I'm fine with it. He's barely been in Omaha and his team is in a tight 3-way race to make the playoffs at the moment. Let him build confidence and win something while he can. If he comes roaring out of the gate next spring, then hopefully he'll be in KC by early June.

Yeah, I'm impressed by the move. Bringing him up would probably boost attendance and build excitement, but they really seem committed to bringing him up on a realistic timeframe. Props to GMDM on the way he's being handled.

DeezNutz 08-31-2010 09:55 PM

GMDM can go **** himself.

This is more about service time than anything else. Personally, I believe it would be more beneficial to give Moose a small cup of coffee to acclimate him to a ML clubhouse so that the transition next year is more seamless.

If he kicks ass, we're going to have to pay him anyway. If that means we pay up a year early, be happy the player is worth paying in the first place.

alnorth 08-31-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6968462)
GMDM can go **** himself.

This is more about service time than anything else. Personally, I believe it would be more beneficial to give Moose a small cup of coffee to acclimate him to a ML clubhouse so that the transition next year is more seamless.

If he kicks ass, we're going to have to pay him anyway. If that means we pay up a year early, be happy the player is worth paying in the first place.

Service time? Screw bringing him up, he's been in AAA for 2 months, and most of the first month was a struggle while he adjusted to AAA pitching. You bring him up now and he's more likely than not to scuffle for the last little bit of the season we have left and end the year on a down note.

Reaper16 08-31-2010 10:00 PM

Moose is also going to play in the Pan-Am games for Team USA, something he can't do if he's on the 40-man roster of an MLB team.

tk13 08-31-2010 10:01 PM

Eh, it's not too absurd. If you bring Moose up, somebody has to sit. You would be stupid to bench Betemit. So it'd have to be Kila. And that's pointless too. Unless everyone's ready to throw Kila under the bus already.

SithCeNtZ 08-31-2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6968443)
I'm fine with it. He's barely been in Omaha and his team is in a tight 3-way race to make the playoffs at the moment. Let him build confidence and win something while he can. If he comes roaring out of the gate next spring, then hopefully he'll be in KC by early June.

They will do just that. What was surprising to me was that all of the prospect blogs were talking about how Moose was just a product of NW Arkansas' home field, but that was wrong and proof of how you just have to look at the deeper numbers to see what a prospect is doing. His numbers against right handed pitchers in AAA? .349/.363./.698. Against left handed pitchers? .203/.233/.319. Compare that to his AA numbers where he hit almost equal against left handers(.348/.417/.640), and you see why his numbers are slightly worse in AAA than AA. He hit lefties much better in AA but AAA lefties have figured him out for the most part. Hitting left handed pitchers is often the last stage of development for a left handed hitter and Moose obviously needs more time developing that stage. Keep him in AAA until we can get another year of service time.

alnorth 08-31-2010 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6968474)
Moose is also going to play in the Pan-Am games for Team USA, something he can't do if he's on the 40-man roster of an MLB team.

Cool, I was not aware of that.

CaliforniaChief 08-31-2010 10:09 PM

Here's the link. Moose is also going to play in the Dominican this winter.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/31...ong-teams.html

Reaper16 08-31-2010 10:12 PM

The Surprise Rafters are going to skull**** the Arizona Fall League.

duncan_idaho 08-31-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6968462)
GMDM can go **** himself.

This is more about service time than anything else. Personally, I believe it would be more beneficial to give Moose a small cup of coffee to acclimate him to a ML clubhouse so that the transition next year is more seamless.

If he kicks ass, we're going to have to pay him anyway. If that means we pay up a year early, be happy the player is worth paying in the first place.

I'm all for getting him experience, but I think it's wise to have people prove themselves a little more in Omaha than Moose has at this point. One month of success there is not quite enough (especially considering how much he struggled earlier).

I think it's good for him to experience winning and also have the Pan-Am games experience. He's a born leader by all accounts, so I think his acclimation to the clubhouse will be pretty easy.

And anyway, if you bring up Moose and play him, you're taking away the opportunities to see Kila improve(or fail) or to evaluate Betemit further.

I really think Betemit might be finally figuring things out. Don't forget this is a former top five prospect. Could get a Ryan Ludwick-like return out of him at this point (and he's athletic enough to play a corner outfield spot here and there). I like the idea of resigning Betemit to something reasonable (if he continues to hit) like a $12 million over 3 years. I don't think he's a .320 hitter, but I think he's capable of playing 120-130 games split between 3B, 1B, DH, RF and LF while hitting .280/20/80 with a .350 OBP. Really like his bat and versatility.

So take some time, continue to evaluate Betemit (I think he's a keeper) and Kila (I think the flaws many saw are there AND make him a AAAA player), save the service year, and bring Moose up after he proves himself a little more.

BWillie 09-01-2010 12:07 AM

How long do the Cards have Colby Rasmus for?

DeezNutz 09-01-2010 06:18 AM

I understand what you guys are saying, and you're probably right.

However.......what's best for MooseTacos, IMO, should definitely trump concerns about playing time for Kila or Betemit, and I'm hopeful about both of those players. Fact is, we need to do our level best to groom a young star.

If Moose ends up in KC around June of next year, maybe that will be the best thing...

siberian khatru 09-01-2010 07:24 AM

Greg Schaum's current Top 40 Royals prospects:

http://royalsprospects.com/?p=3483

eazyb81 09-01-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6968759)
I understand what you guys are saying, and you're probably right.

However.......what's best for MooseTacos, IMO, should definitely trump concerns about playing time for Kila or Betemit, and I'm hopeful about both of those players. Fact is, we need to do our level best to groom a young star.

If Moose ends up in KC around June of next year, maybe that will be the best thing...

This is funny since most Royals fans seem to think Gordon's poor MLB performance all stems from being rushed to the majors. Now that Moose has had a few great months, fans are ready to see him in the majors NOW.

When you combine service time, the 40 man roster issue, lack of AAA experience, and young age, I think it's clear that Moose should stay in the minors the rest of this year, and ideally until around next June. It makes no sense at all to waste his service time right now, especially when you consider we're most likely only going to have him for 6 years since he's a Boras guy.

MVChiefFan 09-01-2010 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 6968822)
Greg Schaum's current Top 40 Royals prospects:

http://royalsprospects.com/?p=3483

Man I can't believe how excited I am about our future. We've had such a weak farm system for so long that I don't even know how to handle this.

DeezNutz 09-01-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 6968916)
This is funny since most Royals fans seem to think Gordon's poor MLB performance all stems from being rushed to the majors. Now that Moose has had a few great months, fans are ready to see him in the majors NOW.

When you combine service time, the 40 man roster issue, lack of AAA experience, and young age, I think it's clear that Moose should stay in the minors the rest of this year, and ideally until around next June. It makes no sense at all to waste his service time right now, especially when you consider we're most likely only going to have him for 6 years since he's a Boras guy.

Not funny at all because I'm not one of those people. Advanced college bats should move through the system quickly, and Gordon's development was very similar to Braun's and Zimmerman's.

Gordon has been mediocre-average because that's the player he is or has been. It's not like the organization Mark Teahened him.

There's value in getting the kid's feet wet, and I could give two shits about service time. The fact that fans even discuss this point, which should be a concern only for a penny-pinching owner, is disconcerting.

SAUTO 09-01-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6969264)
Not funny at all because I'm not one of those people. Advanced college bats should move through the system quickly, and Gordon's development was very similar to Braun's and Zimmerman's.

Gordon has been mediocre-average because that's the player he is or has been. It's not like the organization Mark Teahened him.

There's value in getting the kid's feet wet, and I could give two shits about service time. The fact that fans even discuss this point, which should be a concern only for a penny-pinching owner, is disconcerting.

agreed on all points

CaliforniaChief 09-01-2010 11:36 AM

So where do you guys see our main prospects starting next fall?

Moose in Omaha...Hosmer too? Or does he start in AA? Myers in AA, Colon too? Or is there a chance Colon starts in AAA next year?

How about the pitchers?

DeezNutz 09-01-2010 11:38 AM

If you're really worried about service time, then you give him the Longoria treatment.

After his second professional AB, present him with a 6-year extension.

SAUTO 09-01-2010 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6969279)
If you're really worried about service time, then you give him the Longoria treatment.

After his second professional AB, present him with a 6-year extension.

why wait that long?:D

DeezNutz 09-01-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6969281)
why wait that long?:D

If he's the goods, do it. Honestly, though, the last thing I'm worried about is David ****ing Glass losing a little extra money.

As long as he's committed to keeping our home-grown talent, that's all I want.

SAUTO 09-01-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6969286)
If he's the goods, do it. Honestly, though, the last thing I'm worried about is David ****ing Glass losing a little extra money.

As long as he's committed to keeping our home-grown talent, that's all I want.

agreed again.

**** him losing money he's made enough that he should drop come coin on these guys who could very possibly be studs

eazyb81 09-01-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6969264)
Not funny at all because I'm not one of those people. Advanced college bats should move through the system quickly, and Gordon's development was very similar to Braun's and Zimmerman's.

Gordon has been mediocre-average because that's the player he is or has been. It's not like the organization Mark Teahened him.

There's value in getting the kid's feet wet, and I could give two shits about service time. The fact that fans even discuss this point, which should be a concern only for a penny-pinching owner, is disconcerting.

How so?

The only surefire fact is that we have team control of Moose for 6 MLB years. If we brought him up this September and had him start in KC in 2011, we would have control of him from 2011-2016.

If we wait until around June of 2011 to bring him up, we have team control for the rest of 2011, and then 2012-2017.

So the decision is do you prefer Moose's age 22 season in a year we will be lucky to win 70 games, or his age 28 season where we could conceivably be in the postseason? That is an easy choice for me.

And again, Moose is a Boras client. Of course we never know what could happen, but Boras has a very long track record of not giving away any FA years to pre-FA clients. He wants them to hit FA as soon as possible to achieve the maximum contract the market allows.

DeezNutz 09-01-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 6969300)
How so?

The only surefire fact is that we have team control of Moose for 6 MLB years. If we brought him up this September and had him start in KC in 2011, we would have control of him from 2011-2016.

If we wait until around June of 2011 to bring him up, we have team control for the rest of 2011, and then 2012-2017.

So the decision is do you prefer Moose's age 22 season in a year we will be lucky to win 70 games, or his age 28 season where we could conceivably be in the postseason?

And again, Moose is a Boras client. Of course we never know what could happen, but Boras has a very long track record of not giving away any FA years to pre-FA clients. He wants them to hit FA as soon as possible to achieve the maximum contract the market allows.

I don't think we're going to be able to let him get close to FA, but if we take the Longoria approach, no matter the agent, I think we'll have a great shot at keeping our talent.

Giving him a few ABs this year, IMO, could just help ease the transition. Not everything will be new the next time he's up, and this also might help eliminate feeling of having to "carry the team."

There would be absolutely no pressure on the kid this Sept. He could adjust and focus on enjoying the game. In this sense, his initiation would the polar opposite of Gordon's, who saw his first AB with the bases juiced on Opening Day.

Thus, maybe the next time we see him when there are greater expectations, he can take a been-there/done-that approach. Again, just a thought. Could be wrong or a moot point based on MooseTaco's personality.

siberian khatru 09-01-2010 04:02 PM

Jason Kendall will need shoulder surgery and is expected to be sidelined 8-10 months.

Royals manager Ned Yost said Kendall has an "extensive tear in his rotator cuff." The injury occurred in July but was never reported, so some kudos should be given to Kendall for playing through what was surely a painful injury. Yost hopes Kendall will be ready for the beginning of next season, but given that April is seven months away, that seems a bit unrealistic. Brayan Pena and Lucas May will handle the catching duties for the rest of this season.
Source: David Holtzman on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/pla...rt=MLB&id=2197

DeezNutz 09-01-2010 04:04 PM

Sad that this needed to happen to save Yost and DM from themselves.

siberian khatru 09-01-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6969880)
Sad that this needed to happen to save Yost and DM from themselves.

Yep. Bad for Kendall, good for the club.

Apparently he injured it in July. Been a tough MF to play with it since then.

BWillie 09-01-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 6969878)
Jason Kendall will need shoulder surgery and is expected to be sidelined 8-10 months.

Royals manager Ned Yost said Kendall has an "extensive tear in his rotator cuff." The injury occurred in July but was never reported, so some kudos should be given to Kendall for playing through what was surely a painful injury. Yost hopes Kendall will be ready for the beginning of next season, but given that April is seven months away, that seems a bit unrealistic. Brayan Pena and Lucas May will handle the catching duties for the rest of this season.
Source: David Holtzman on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/pla...rt=MLB&id=2197

Well darn it. :)

CaliforniaChief 09-01-2010 04:10 PM

Can't question his toughness. Nor my desire to celebrate! I mean, I hope he retires...I mean recovers soon.

alnorth 09-01-2010 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 6969878)
Jason Kendall will need shoulder surgery and is expected to be sidelined 8-10 months.

Royals manager Ned Yost said Kendall has an "extensive tear in his rotator cuff." The injury occurred in July but was never reported, so some kudos should be given to Kendall for playing through what was surely a painful injury. Yost hopes Kendall will be ready for the beginning of next season, but given that April is seven months away, that seems a bit unrealistic. Brayan Pena and Lucas May will handle the catching duties for the rest of this season.
Source: David Holtzman on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/pla...rt=MLB&id=2197

oh, thank the baseball Gods, they finally took pity upon us.

tyler360 09-01-2010 05:29 PM

This reminds me of the LJ situation with the chiefs this year.

Hopefully someone steps up like Charles

BillSelfsTrophycase 09-01-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 6969878)
Jason Kendall will need shoulder surgery and is expected to be sidelined 8-10 months.

Royals manager Ned Yost said Kendall has an "extensive tear in his rotator cuff." The injury occurred in July but was never reported, so some kudos should be given to Kendall for playing through what was surely a painful injury. Yost hopes Kendall will be ready for the beginning of next season, but given that April is seven months away, that seems a bit unrealistic. Brayan Pena and Lucas May will handle the catching duties for the rest of this season.
Source: David Holtzman on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/pla...rt=MLB&id=2197

Can't question dude's heart; He's a guy you'd love to have on your team if he didn't...you know...suck ass

alnorth 09-01-2010 05:37 PM

Of all qualified players (154), Jason Kendall has the 3rd-worst SLG in baseball.

0.297 :spock:

edit: and the 3rd-worst OPS at 0.615

DeezNutz 09-01-2010 05:49 PM

Ok, after the initial (somewhat guilty) feeling of relief, I have a question: why now? If he hurt this in July, why wait? To see if the injury affected his power? LMAO.

Is this more a statement about Pena and his potential? And the injury to Kendall is a way not to embarrass a player whom the manager and GM really respect?

SPchief 09-01-2010 06:16 PM

The first game of the Bryan Pena era has begun and he just got hosed on a throw out

SPchief 09-01-2010 08:31 PM

I'm not going to lie, Yuni is starting to slightly grow on me

Mama Hip Rockets 09-01-2010 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6970043)
Of all qualified players (154), Jason Kendall has the 3rd-worst SLG in baseball.

0.297 :spock:

edit: and the 3rd-worst OPS at 0.615

but...but...he's so tough!

alnorth 09-01-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 6970311)
I'm not going to lie, Yuni is starting to slightly grow on me

He has improved from "worst player in baseball" to "a pretty bad shortstop, but fine until Colon is ready"

SPchief 09-01-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6970319)
He has improved from "worst player in baseball" to "a pretty bad shortstop, but fine until Colon is ready"

He's still terrible to his left, but his bat has improved enough that I can stand watching him hit.

alnorth 09-01-2010 08:40 PM

unless Round Rock scores 4, the minor league stats are probably done.

AAA

Moustakas, (3B) 1/4, 1HR

AA

game postponed, double-header tomorrow

Advanced A

Colon, (SS) 1/5, 1K
Myers, (DH) 1/2, 2BB
Aaron Crow, (SP) 6⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 13K

alnorth 09-01-2010 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 6970324)
He's still terrible to his left, but his bat has improved enough that I can stand watching him hit.

his offense is actually not good, the home runs are a mirage. He's not TPJ bad, but getting on base is far more important than the little bit of pop he has, and he is laughably bad at the most important offensive skill.

SPchief 09-01-2010 08:47 PM

Heh, Meche coming in out of the bullpen

gblowfish 09-01-2010 08:50 PM

He probably wants to spend the next ten months hanging out with Kendall.

SPchief 09-01-2010 08:50 PM

Not bad, 3 pitches three fastballs at 95 94 94 to get the k

gblowfish 09-01-2010 08:54 PM

And all 700 people in the stands go crazy! Rally hat time!!

Mecca 09-01-2010 08:58 PM

What's with these radar guns?

And hey Frank and Ryan, dude on the Reds hit 103 last night so why are you saying you've never seen it before?

gblowfish 09-01-2010 09:00 PM

You could tell he was really runnin it up there on the first pitch he threw to Aviles. You could see Mike's face say....Jeeeeeez....

gblowfish 09-01-2010 09:02 PM

Close, but no cigar. Warning Track Power.

Hammock Parties 09-01-2010 09:02 PM

ahahahahaha....

after last night you guys deserved that

KCUnited 09-01-2010 09:03 PM

Royals power.

Mr. Laz 09-01-2010 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 6970355)
Close, but no cigar. Warning Track Power.

if Billy could just muscle up a little bit ... he's such a slapper.

tk13 09-01-2010 09:34 PM

We need to do something with Humber. That guy has pitched too well to ignore. If not for one bad inning where he ran out of gas in his start, he would be putting up tremendous numbers. He definitely has good stuff.

Reaper16 09-01-2010 09:45 PM

Aaron Crowe should have been doing this shit all year.

Mecca 09-01-2010 09:48 PM

Isn's Humber one of the guys from the Santana trade?

Reaper16 09-01-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6970459)
Isn's Humber one of the guys from the Santana trade?

Yup.

Sure-Oz 09-01-2010 10:09 PM

Went to the game tonight and had fun despite the loss. Rangers fans i met were really classy as well.

Sure-Oz 09-01-2010 10:11 PM

Kendall out 8-10 months w/ shoulder surgery

Jason Kendall will need shoulder surgery and is expected to be sidelined 8-10 months.
Royals manager Ned Yost said Kendall has an "extensive tear in his rotator cuff." The injury occurred in July but was never reported, so some kudos should be given to Kendall for playing through what was surely a painful injury. Yost hopes Kendall will be ready for the beginning of next season, but given that April is seven months away, that seems a bit unrealistic. Brayan Pena and Lucas May will handle the catching duties for the rest of this season. Sep. 1 - 5:49 pm et
Source: David Holtzman on Twitter

Didn't realize he got hurt....tough sob

Demonpenz 09-01-2010 10:37 PM

that explains kendells half swing!


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