What the **** are you talking about? Ford had the best production of any pass rusher last year.
He single handedly owned in big games last year. Look at the TAMU game. He killed it. The national championship game he killed it. He killed it at the senior bowl. He had double digit sacks last year.

There was no WR or DB with the pick at that point. Don't even bring up Dennard and his slow ass who can't turn his hips well.

Bottom line is you have your favorites. 2 coaches who are very highly regarded in the NFL today wanted him in the first rd and 1 coach got him.

I'm gonna trust they know what they are doing over you. They have he success to back it up.

I wouldn't call Chip Kelly highly regarded. Not yet, anyway.

Sounded okay to me. Great to see he is focused on family, church and music- much better than seeing party pics of him in Vegas and rolling up bills in bathroom stalls-like Johnny football.

Seems like a solid pick!

You must have missed the second half of the season last year when the Chiefs managed zero pass rush. To call Ford a backup-must mean that we will have no injuries-which would be nice. Based on last season-he will get a lot of playing time. A team can never have too many pass rushers.

Houston was basically a non-factor after the third game, then got hurt and Hali was left alone to do what he does - attempt to out work the other guy, all game long.

Without sufficient help, that's going to wear a guy down - even a guy with the tenacity of Hali.

As well, our secondary was absolute dog shit after Flowers started to hobble. The safeties couldn't zone (although, Abdullah made a valiant effort, but it was a day late and a dollar short from a coaching perspective), and our MLB was basically non-existent as DJ was spending his work days trying to cover over on the absence of Houston as well as effectively attempting to do his job as well (with minimal at best support from the other ILB spot).

Basically, what it meant was that once we got through the gauntlet of cheese the first three weeks, defensive coordinators figured out that we didn't have jack dick in terms of speed and length on the defensive side of the ball.

We then got violated.

Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith in their prime couldn't have helped us. (Nor could they have in their prime as it seems.)

In short, KC's pass rush sucks with Hali and Houston so don't bother improving it, right?

What would have improved it would have been Kyle Van Noy lined up next to Derrick Johnson.

Not only would that have given you substantially more flexibility in the pass, defending the middle, disrupting the timing patterns on crossing routes, but it would have given us a guy who was superlative at inside blitz/rushes which would have freed up the double teams either Hali or Houston see on a per play basis. It would have also allowed Houston to continue to rush versus having him drop back into coverage. As well, Van Noy has the flexibility to play inside and out in blitz/rush, pass defense and run defense. Based on his college production, Ford only does one thing mildly effective and that's timed QB rushes. He's not effective against the run. He hardly ever played in coverage. And he was down right bad in making impact plays past some sacks.

Because, outside of DJ, there wasn't jack and shit on the roster at ILB/MLB. Zombo was/is just as effective as Ford is going to be in the role of backup rush backer. Probably more so actually.

I think it was an Al Davis level pick based on his Pro Day numbers and his shirtless 40 runs.

Maybe the guy turns out to be special, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

Frank Zombo is just as good a pass rusher as Dee Ford. /sacsfinest

Very similar players in college actually.

Zombo is a little bigger at 6'3 1/2", 255 lb., but both had similar pro day results.

The problem here is that because we took Dee Ford with a first round pick, everyone starts washing his balls immediately.

Same thing happened with Branden Albert. Everyone just naturally assumed that because the team used a first rounder on him that he was going to end up being a super stud. "Wait until next year." "He's got to grow into the position." Yada, yada, yada. I expect we'll have the same shit being said about Ford because people just can't envision a team wasting a first rounder on a guy who is going to end up being a mediocre at best type of player.

Dee Ford is getting a pole polishing around here, when, in fact, he was basically a smaller version of Zombo in college with a little less production. But because Zombo was a FA, he sucks, while we spent a first on Ford, so he's going to be the savior of our horrible pass rush (that features two All-Pro level players already who've each averaged double figure sacks the past two seasons).

When Dee Ford begins owning, Sacc is going to look like his sig.

Who said Frank the "Zombie" Zombo sucks? He has played pretty well for limited playing time-made a few big plays- more than a former player that went to the Falcons for big money.

Some are saying Houston will leave for FA and won't resign with the chiefs- doubtful we let him get away- but I guess it could happen. Plus some are saying Hali is as good as cut after this season. So with these two wild cards plus the injury problems last year- seems Ford is a nice insurance policy. He will have a year of playing time in case he needs to take one of these spots.

Oh yes- the Van Noy fall back answer- we didn't draft him-so maybe it is time to stop talking about him? Or will it be that whenever Ford is mentioned -we have to hear the old "we shoulda drafted Van Noy"? :shake:

Time will tell-but so far Ford has shown a great attitude, is a good citizen off the field and wants to learn to be the best. :thumb: These attributes don't scream BUST to me.

I was a big advocate for Kyle Van Noy before the draft, but looking at Dee Ford, it makes far more sense to draft a guy like the playmaker we did.

He's much faster than Van Noy running a 4.54 to Van Noy's 4.71.He's stronger than Van Noy benching 8 more reps at 225.

Most importantly, his first step blows Van Noy's out of the water. It's not even close. And that is absolutely what this team needed last year.

So you're telling me that selecting a guy who is as fast and as strong as Jadeveon Clowney, has a first step that is scientifically proven, both on game tape and in sports science, to be the same as Von ****ing Miller and is also hungry to succeed....was a bad pick? And we got this guy at pick number 23? Seriously?

I haven't felt this good about a first round pick since Eric Berry. It's been proven time and time again that adding more pass rushers with standout qualities is a plan for success.

On paper Dee Ford looks like he is a weaker version of Von Miller, but better and more stronger version of Bruce Irvin. I'll absolutely take that and I do think the kid is going to be very fun to watch this season.

The problem I have with it is that he might have a great first step, but the freaking guy never turned the corner in a game. Never. He couldn't fight through or maneuver around a tackles initial punch. If he got the inside step on the snap, he was effective, but that's about it. That will get absolutely and unequivocally negated in the pros. Guards are too freaking good. Tackles are too fast and too long.

I think that they are hoping that they can coach up his athletic potential, but they are really hoping that they (the Chiefs defensive coaching staff) are starting with football's version of Locke's Association of Ideas versus a guy who has an understanding of pass rush techniques and is capable of applying them in a game time situation.

Who is this referencing?