Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9030516)

Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9030516)

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be?

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9030516)

Here's the problem, Mr. Fax: You can't on one hand chastize Eric Winston for calling out 60-70K fans when only a few hundred or couple thousand fans cheered when Cassel went down/Quinn came in. You're boohooing the notion that the few represented the whole and then at the same time claim that 116 fans donating what amounts to a couple of beers and a hot dog at Arrowhead somehow represents the sentiments of the whole of Chiefs nation.

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

In terms of the twitter thing, people may be upset with the management, but take a look at any other team fairing poorly: Fans go online and bitch about the team, the coach, and the management. It is nothing new. Online bitchfests don't constitute a movement.

Clark is first and foremost a dispassionate number cruncher--and right now, the true numbers aren't in the favor of folks who would like to believe that this is some sort of "movement." People would like to believe that it is a movement and somehow getting really red in the face and giving Pioli the stinkeye through their computer monitor is actually going to change things because of their emotional investment in the Chiefs.

Movements, however, are calculations. Calculations such as the number of people involved, calculations in how far the people involved are willing to go to affect change, calculations of the risk/reward in simply acknowledging the petitions of the people let alone cave in to their demands. If you are Clark Hunt, what do you think speaks louder- 31 fellow billionaires or 116 people who are literally tossing $28.95 in the air? Like it or not, the numbers just aren't adding up. Clark gets this-fans don't.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9031027)

116 may have donated.....but SaveOurChiefs has over 70,000 twitter followers. It's not just 116 people who are behind this.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9030221)

Look, I'm not one to participate in a Pioli Zombie Invasion because I really don't care one way or another. I'm not going to spend any money to buy a ticket to go to the game.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9030516)

Sure some folks will wear black to the game, but guess what--it is the Raiders game. What do you think the perception will be? Hey, it looks like the Raiders fans came out in force today. That is what it will look like on TV, anyway. Do you think Clark will care one way or another?

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9031056)

70K twitter followers doesn't mean anything if they (or at least a significant portion of them) aren't willing to actually do something.....

Originally Posted by qabbaan (Post 9031582)

"Look, I'm not going to do this, but I think some other people should do it."

ROFL

This is something those Occupy or PETA morons would do.

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9031676)

You might want to check the schedule.

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9031955)

Black and silver, black and orange... black and yellow hoodies. Big difference.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9031947)

No. It's just that I really don't have any emotional or economic investment in the team. When you get down to it, my life isn't going to change one way or another depending on whether Scott Pioli is the GM of the Chiefs or not. If people really want change, they need to understand that sometimes certain methods (not necessarily a Zombie Invasion, but similar tactics) need to be used.

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9032031)

I don't see why a Zombie Invasion is any better than a boycott. Plus, lighter prison sentences means more time can be spent with the family ... and a stable family structure is the bedrock of a culture.

FAX