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tk13 11-29-2004 06:20 PM

Wow, I'm surprised this argument has become as big as it has ... there are tons of more legitimate gripes about this team above some 3rd string guard sitting on the inactive list or practice squad.

If Shields were to get hurt or retire, Welbourn would move back to his natural RG position and we'd leave Bober at RT. If one of those guys got hurt we'd have Welbourn at RG and put Kevin Sampson at RT, or Bober at RG and Sampson at RT, or if push came to shove I imagine we'd have the option of sliding Jordan Black over to RG or RT to fill a hole.

Yeah, it sucks to lose a guy who could efficiently play, but I think that speaks to our offensive line depth and Indianapolis' lack thereof... although really the Colts do a great job of making sure whoever they have to put gets it done without fail.

ROYC75 11-29-2004 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nmt1
The bottom line is putting Wilson on IR and keeping Lilja wouldn't have made one bit of a difference. We'd still be 3-8 with Lilja. There isn't anyone on our practice squad or on any other team's practice squad or anyone roaming around out there in free agency right now that would've made us anything other than 3-8.
I'm happy they kept Wilson on the 53 man roster. Maybe he'll get some snaps. I'd rather have Wilson available eventually than have some offensive lineman we don't need sitting there not even dressing because he's buried on the depth chart of the deepest and best unit on the team.

BTA, could we of found out if Ryan was going to be able to step in for Willie or Will ?

We will never find out now.

Kinda like having guys on the roster we all feel can play or want to see them play but never getting the chance.

When you give up on them before getting or never give them a chance, you don't know what you have.

BTA,how much better could we be next year if Ryan had came alive and developed, or a Downing, maybe Freeman, or somebody else that we cut and a healthy Wilson with all the glitter and hype he brings to the offense. I dunno .....

ROYC75 11-29-2004 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I disagree, it is not hindsight when DV himself said he made a mistake just a couple of days after Lilja was picked up. Saying he made the mistake of believing he could slip him through on waivers. Personally I have not seen any quality backup young guards on this squad. Who are you referring to when you say that?

DV did say this and he wasn't happy in losing him, it's a #'s game and he lost out.

tk13 11-29-2004 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
Personally I have not seen any quality backup young guards on this squad. Who are you referring to when you say that?

How about in the Baltimore game when Jordan Black "double teamed" Super Ray-Ray Lewis all by himself?...

Logical 11-29-2004 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13
Wow, I'm surprised this argument has become as big as it has ... there are tons of more legitimate gripes about this team above some 3rd string guard sitting on the inactive list or practice squad.

If Shields were to get hurt or retire, Welbourn would move back to his natural RG position and we'd leave Bober at RT. If one of those guys got hurt we'd have Welbourn at RG and put Kevin Sampson at RT, or Bober at RG and Sampson at RT, or if push came to shove I imagine we'd have the option of sliding Jordan Black over to RG or RT to fill a hole.

Yeah, it sucks to lose a guy who could efficiently play, but I think that speaks to our offensive line depth and Indianapolis' lack thereof... although really the Colts do a great job of making sure whoever they have to put gets it done without fail.

I think the amount of responses to this thread possibly speaks to Wilson having been an unpopular choice unneccesarily taking up roster space when he could have logically went on the IR. It is just one more example of poor management by the coaching staff and front office.

This is not an actual reflection on Wilson who might be the greatest thing since sliced bread and hell may even teach Larry Johnson how to block.

Logical 11-29-2004 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13
How about in the Baltimore game when Jordan Black "double teamed" Super Ray-Ray Lewis all by himself?...

I like Jordan Black but I am hoping he is the replacement for the other Will(ie).

j/k

jspchief 11-29-2004 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I think the amount of responses to this thread possibly speaks to Wilson having been an unpopular choice unneccesarily taking up roster space when he could have logically went on the IR. It is just one more example of poor management by the coaching staff and front office.

This is not an actual reflection on Wilson who might be the greatest thing since sliced bread and hell may even teach Larry Johnson how to block.

If you want to talk about how stupid it was to take a TE with that pick, I'm sure we'll be typing ditto in response to each other a lot.

When we made the decision to pu Lilja on waivers, it was with the idea that we want guys on our roster that will help us win now (as in this season). With that line of thinking, we made the right choice so far. For it to have been the wrong choice, we not only needed Shield to go down, we also needed a Lilja to pass Black on the depth chart. Maybe that would have happened, I don't know. What I do know is, if we were in the middle of a play-off season, most of us would be pleased with the prospect ofgetting another weapon in our arsenal just in time for the play-offs.

Phobia 11-29-2004 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13
Wow, I'm surprised this argument has become as big as it has ... there are tons of more legitimate gripes about this team above some 3rd string guard sitting on the inactive list or practice squad.

But this one is a fresh take, not having appeared in some column or a dittohead's radio show. This is actually a very cool topic.

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If Shields were to get hurt or retire, Welbourn would move back to his natural RG position and we'd leave Bober at RT.
What now that Welbourne is on IR and potentially through forever?

Logical 11-29-2004 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia
But this one is a fresh take, not having appeared in some column or a dittohead's radio show. This is actually a very cool topic.



What now that Welbourne is on IR and potentially through forever?

I guess I did not know that Welbourne had a potential career ending injury. Shows what a 3-6 now 3-7 record will do to the attention I pay to details.

Phobia 11-29-2004 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav
I guess I did not know that Welbourne had a potential career ending injury. Shows what a 3-6 now 3-7 record will do to the attention I pay to details.

It's pure conjecture. He's had back to back season ending injuries to the same knee. I guess there's potential there, huh?

ROYC75 11-29-2004 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia
It's pure conjecture. He's had back to back season ending injuries to the same knee. I guess there's potential there, huh?

The official DV spin is, ( not exact, but close it as I recall )it's a little sore and lose, but it doesn't need surgery. We decided to rest him the remainder of the year and let it heal on it's own.


So for the FWIW department, take over ........

Rausch 11-29-2004 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia
It's pure conjecture. He's had back to back season ending injuries to the same knee. I guess there's potential there, huh?

I can't say I see any potential in the guy...


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