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Braincase 12-01-2004 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RedNFeisty
I did not mean to imply that I would not be overpowered, just simply that there would be repercussion to attacking me. I am just a woman so therefore I know I can be overpowered by a man, come on, I'm not stupid. Being an Army brat my father made sure that I knew how to defend myself and my older brother made sure of that as well. Not to mention how well I can handle a gun (not that it would help in a situation like BTK). Back in the 70's women may not have been so confident and may have rolled over and let a man kill them, today I do not think that it would be so easy.

These days it would almost be easier than it was back then. Those little stun guns are awfully wasy to conceal. And Skip is never coming to my house...

KingPriest2 12-01-2004 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
Hey, R&F, I think you are waaay overconfident in your abilities to defend yourself against murderous males that are much bigger than you are. I say this in only a friendly manner and to advise you of how wrong you are. I am almost 60 but still have a 32 inch waist and 14" biceps and still lift weights religiously. I am 5'10 and 165 lbs and could easily overpower you with you having no access to my nads. Remember BTK hides in the house and gets the drop on the victims from behind. You would have NO chance against this 60 year old under these circumstances. I just was disturbed that you discount the abilities of a guy in his forties. Hell, unless you're an Amazon you can be had by a guy in his 60's. I don't want that to happen.


It might be true in most cases but she could protect herself. I also know law enforcement people and I have listened to their stories so I know a person can get out of it.

For example I was talking to a client last night who even got stabbed in the chest and stopped the guy.

KingPriest2 12-01-2004 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike
Yeah RnF surprised me by that too. She makes it sound like a 40 year old dude has the same amount of strength as an 80 year old. My dad is 43 and he could easily knock my ass out with a well placed punch or two....


Well it is not hard to kick your little ass.

the Talking Can 12-01-2004 08:20 AM

Do you know where my BLT is?

patteeu 12-01-2004 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
I had a buddy on the Wichita PD at the time of the first killings. He was later Acting Chief and is now Head of Security for Boeing. He told me back then that they knew who it was but couldn't prove it. :shrug:

Did your "buddy" tell you that at the end of a long interrogation, just before he reluctantly released you? :p

Pants 12-01-2004 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2
Well it is not hard to kick your little ass.

And you know that how?? Or is that just more stupid assumptions coming from you as usuall?

RedNFeisty 12-01-2004 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
Do you know where my BLT is?

I ate it and it was very yummy, thank you!

Abba-Dabba 12-01-2004 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
Do you know where my BLT is?

I bet if it was up your ass you would know where it is. :p

Dave Lane 12-01-2004 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
I had a buddy on the Wichita PD at the time of the first killings. He was later Acting Chief and is now Head of Security for Boeing. He told me back then that they knew who it was but couldn't prove it. :shrug:

How did he know you did it? What tipped him off?

Dave

Nubian Nut 12-01-2004 10:08 AM

Victim's son believes father knew BTK


By Roxana Hegeman
Associated Press Writer
WICHITA - For decades after leaving school, Charlie Otero stayed underground hiding from the BTK serial killer who strangled his parents and two younger siblings.

"I didn't want him tracking me, knowing where I am," Otero said in a telephone interview Tuesday from the Western New Mexico Correctional Facility. "No rent, no house, no bills. Nothing. No jobs. No checks."

Otero was 15 when he found his parents' bound bodies in their bedroom in 1974. Police told him later that his brother and sister were also killed.

Now 46, Otero remains convinced his father knew the killer because he had been acting strangely to protect the family in the days just before the killings. And he believes his family was targeted because of something his father did during his military service.

The strangulation of Otero's four family members are the earliest deaths claimed by the killer who calls himself BTK, which stands for "Bind, Torture, Kill." He has been linked to eight unsolved homicides that terrorized Wichita between 1974 and 1986. After years of silence, the killer surfaced again by sending letters to police and media this year.

Police said earlier this year that the Otero killings had "special significance" because they were the first in a string of killings. But police have refused to discuss the case beyond carefully scripted statements periodically released.

On Jan. 15, 1974, the three surviving children of Joseph and Julie Otero came home from school to find their parents and two other siblings, Josephine, 11, and Joseph II, 9, dead at the family's Wichita home.

Otero is nearing the end of a four-year sentence for aggravated battery in a domestic violence case. He said he has not talked to BTK investigators since 1977 or 1978. He wants to know what is happening in the case, and whether there is any way he can help.

"I've had this bottled up inside me for 30 years," he said.

He listened intently as an AP reporter recounted the details released Tuesday by Wichita police profiling the killer in the hopes that someone could identify him. None of it pointed to anyone he knew, he said afterward.

"I've always thought my father knew him, that is about all," Otero said.

His father knew something was wrong, Otero said, citing several instances in the days before the murders that were "very suspicious." One time when the lights went out, his father made the family get into a closet until he made sure the neighborhood was also dark.

Another time, when a telephone repairman showed up at the house, Joseph Otero made his son go to a window to make sure there was a company van there before he opened the door.

Then just days before he died, Joseph Otero, who worked as an aircraft mechanic, tried to give him his ring in case something happened to him. Charlie Otero now remembers telling his father he didn't want him to talk like that, kidding his father he would probably outlive him.

"Nobody hated my family," Otero said. "I am sure it had something to do with my father's military history. My dad did things. ... He had to tell somebody what he had been up to in the last few years and he was dead days later."

Years later Otero is still convinced - based on that overheard telephone conversation his father had days before his death - that his family's slaughter had something to do with his service in the U.S. Air Force. Otero said his father was involved with the Inter-American Air Forces Academy, a program that has trained Air Force personnel from Latin America for 60 years.

But Otero declined to say further what his father did in the military because he was afraid talking about it might jeopardize his parole next month.

He still remembers vividly the day his family was killed. His younger siblings were the first to find their parents' bodies, crying out to him that mom and dad were playing a bad joke on them.

But Otero instantly knew they were dead: "My dad was cold, hard. You could smell the death. His tongue was almost bit off, a belt was around his neck."

He thought his other siblings were in school, now he knows they never got a chance to go to school before the killer came to their house. He and his two surviving siblings would also be dead had they not left an hour earlier than usual for school, he said.

Otero said he learned further details of his family's murders after hiring a lawyer and private investigator and reading some of the FBI files on the case.

Abba-Dabba 12-01-2004 10:13 AM

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But Otero declined to say further what his father did in the military because he was afraid talking about it might jeopardize his parole next month.

Umm, okay...

KingPriest2 12-01-2004 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike
And you know that how?? Or is that just more stupid assumptions coming from you as usuall?


Stupid assumptions as usual? Yeah ok

the Talking Can 12-01-2004 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Saggysack
I bet if it was up your ass you would know where it is. :p

in an off the wall way you're right

Abba-Dabba 12-02-2004 05:02 AM

Could this be BTK?

:hmmm:

Seems kinda odd that the KBI, WPD and WPD homicide detectives would stake out for suspicion of criminal trespass, failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles.

Long stakeout puts man, 65, in custody
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...l/10318352.htm
After the arrest, KBI agents occupy the house and remove some items.

Eagle staff


A 65-year-old man was arrested at his south Wichita home Wednesday night after a daylong surveillance by Wichita police, including members of the homicide squad.

After his arrest, Kansas Bureau of Investigation agents were at the house late Wednesday and white bags were seen being removed from the home.

Travis Redburn said several undercover police watched the house from his nearby business Wednesday morning.

Wichita homicide detectives and at least one patrol officer were also seen cruising the neighborhood throughout the day.

Police officials, including Police Chief Norman Williams and Lt. Ken Landwehr, the head of the homicide unit, would not return phone calls Wednesday night after the arrest. Redburn said police at his business said they were acting on a tip and that they found a man at the house "very interesting."

Trains along tracks 40 yards away rattled through the otherwise quiet neighborhood regularly Wednesday.

Around 7:30 p.m., a small group of uniformed and plainclothes Wichita police officers surrounded the house.

They went around the dark home, tapping on windows and doors with their flashlights. After five minutes of searching around the home, officers entered through a door in the back.

Detectives stood outside the house while the beams of flashlights could be seen from behind the curtains.

Minutes later, with no sign of a struggle, two uniformed officers and a plainclothes homicide detective emerged with a man who was handcuffed behind his back. His hair was dark with a few signs of gray. He wore a white shirt and dark pants and had a denim jacket draped over his handcuffed arms.

He was led in front of the home, down a sidewalk to a waiting police car parked around the corner. Neither police nor the suspect said anything from the time they emerged from the home to the point they got in the car.

The man was booked into Sedgwick County Jail at 8:31 p.m. on suspicion of criminal trespass. Bond was initially set at $2,500, then increased to $17,500 after he was booked under a second warrant. That warrant charged him with several violations of city housing codes.

The allegations include failing to maintain the exterior of a house, failing to paint a house, failing to maintain the structure of a house, parking in a front yard and storing inoperable vehicles.

After his arrest, the house was lit both inside and in the back yard. A man was inside the house, but did not answer the door.

Another man, wearing a suit, walked around to the front of the house with a flashlight. He identified himself as Larry Thomas of the KBI and said agents were occupying the premises for the night. Thomas is one of the agency's homicide investigators.

Abba-Dabba 12-02-2004 06:20 AM

An arrest has been made 'sources say' in the BTK case. Suspects name Roger ?. Lives at 1421 E. Mt Vernon. A few feet away from railroad tracks. My exwife and her mother live 3 blocks from scene. My wife takes my daughter over to my daughter ex's house every morning. I pick her up around 8:30am Mon-Fri. to take her to school. Drive by the freakin house pretty much daily.


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