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the Talking Can 09-13-2005 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Jordan Black is a good fill-in player, Junior Siavii is not.
no doubt...and if Sampson plays, Black is even less of a liability becuase Bober is on the bench as you pointed out....

I agree Moss will get his, but Collins is going to throw some picks too..and Surtain would increase the likely hood of that happening

but the key, for our D, will be our LBs...if they get to Collins and spook him we'll win...

the Talking Can 09-13-2005 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by gochiefs
Well, at least we still stopped the run without Sims. That is encouraging.
what did we do when he went out?

did Wilkerson play a lot of snaps at DT?

htismaqe 09-13-2005 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by morphius
Yes, but Knight isn't going to get from the middle of the field to Moss on the sideline before that toss gets there. Plus who knows if Moss is even going to be lined up on the same side as Knight very often. Plus none of the CB's we have healthy are really going to get much of a meaningful bump on Moss to slow him down, which is what we really need to be able to do.

Luckily Surtain is probably going to play, making the point pretty much moo.
That's just the thing. The Raiders' use of Moss (at least against the Pats) wasn't predicated on exploiting any matchups, they just chucked it up. While Surtain might help some against that, he's not the cure.

After all, your 7'4" center isn't going to block many shots if your opponent is always shooting the ball from half court...

morphius 09-13-2005 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by beavis
We kept hearing this after the first couple games of the 2003 season. Sure turned out to be nothing then, didn't it?

The troubling thing about it is, it's probably a sign of things to come. We caught all the breaks on Sunday, and that's not going to continue for the entire season.
Except in 03 we couldn't stop the run or the pass, this year so far we have been able to disrupt at least one part of the game, and a lot of those passing yards came against our number 3-5 corners.

Brock 09-13-2005 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
what did we do when he went out?

did Wilkerson play a lot of snaps at DT?
I thought they put Browning beside Dalton.

BTW, Carlos Hall is a freak.

morphius 09-13-2005 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
That's just the thing. The Raiders' use of Moss (at least against the Pats) wasn't predicated on exploiting any matchups, they just chucked it up. While Surtain might help some against that, he's not the cure.

After all, your 7'4" center isn't going to block many shots if your opponent is always shooting the ball from half court...
It isn't a perfect stratigy, but our corners with Surtain and Warfield out are also not as good as the Pat's either. Plus its not like the same plan wouldn't work on the opposite side going to Porter. I feel a D can make some adjustments to help with 1 bad CB, but with 2, just no.

Hammock Parties 09-13-2005 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can
what did we do when he went out?

did Wilkerson play a lot of snaps at DT?
Beats me. I'm guessing it was mostly Dalton and Browning.

ChiTown 09-13-2005 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock
I thought they put Browning beside Dalton.

BTW, Carlos Hall is a freak.
Yep. That's what I saw as well.

What I love about Hall is that he appears to have some serious wheels turning the corner, and he drives his body straight through the ball carrier. Hall appears to be a great addition.

The thing I really like about this D is the increased speed in the front 7. I think we still have some work to do at the other CB position opposite Surtain, but overall, we really appear to be fast - especially against the run. :clap:

the Talking Can 09-13-2005 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock
I thought they put Browning beside Dalton.

BTW, Carlos Hall is a freak.
right, I guess I forget about Browning...but I wonder who will be our #3 DT this week...Siavii I guess, ughh...

Hall does have an amazing bull rush...he/Allen/Wilkerson form a nice group of DEs...good to have some depth there

htismaqe 09-13-2005 08:17 AM
Wilkerson slid inside for a few plays, yes.

Kyle401 09-13-2005 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by morphius
Do you remember last season at all? Seriously? My game plan with Surtain out is keep Moss to the outside where the safeties can't get over in time, add in a little play action to slow them down half a step and just toss it up. The play was gold against our D last year, and on many of those plays we even got some pressure with the blitz. In this case I'm not talking bombs either, just down the line hit the guy running 10-15 yards down the field and watch him fly.
The key is our front 7. If they are able to stop the run effectively, the safeties can play back and closer to the sideline to take away the outside pass. If we can limit L. Jordan to a 3-4 ypc average with the front 7, Turner will abandon the run and go pass-wacky like he did against NE. I think at that point rushing 5 and dropping 6 will be enough to limit Collins' effectiveness and our O can do the rest.

htismaqe 09-13-2005 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by morphius
It isn't a perfect stratigy, but our corners with Surtain and Warfield out are also not as good as the Pat's either. Plus its not like the same plan wouldn't work on the opposite side going to Porter. I feel a D can make some adjustments to help with 1 bad CB, but with 2, just no.
Put Collins on his back early and often, force him to get rid of the ball quickly with underneath passes, and let the speed of the LB's take over.

Doesn't matter who our CB's are...

morphius 09-13-2005 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Put Collins on his back early and often, force him to get rid of the ball quickly with underneath passes, and let the speed of the LB's take over.

Doesn't matter who our CB's are...
Of course if your making 20+ yard plays the knocking you on your butt doesn't bother you as much..

Mecca 09-13-2005 08:36 AM
We'll probably some more of the 3-4 this week.... and yes stopping the run with the front 7 is a huge deal this week. Collins is alot like Pennington that if you get constant pressure and smack him around he will wilt.

htismaqe 09-13-2005 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by morphius
Of course if your making 20+ yard plays the knocking you on your butt doesn't bother you as much..
How many are they going to make chucking it up like that?

It's the equivalent of shooting skeet with a .22 rifle. Yeah, they're gonna hit a few, but they're going to miss a whole lot.


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