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Rausch 01-18-2006 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYC75
Well aware Sperm Headwards is a defensive coach, what was his OC in Jetsland ?
That's brilliant.

So Marty's a WCO guy because he traded for Montana and used Hackett?

That's pretty much what you're saying...

ROYC75 01-18-2006 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock
Herm isn't any kind of offensive coach.

And that's a pretty ****ing stupid name to be calling him.
Touchy today ?

ROYC75 01-18-2006 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch
That's brilliant.

So Marty's a WCO guy because he traded for Montana and used Hackett?

That's pretty much what you're saying...
If the shoe fits .......

What is Marty and Cam doing in SD now ?

Brock 01-18-2006 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYC75
Well aware Sperm Headwards is a defensive coach, what was his OC in Jetsland ?
You have an amazing grasp of the irrelevant.

htismaqe 01-18-2006 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru
I don't think anyone here thinks Herm is a great coach. Even The Bad Guy, who was supporting the Herm choice from early on, has said he merely thinks Herm was the best available coach.

I also think hardly anyone is drinking the Kool-Aid. Carl seems to be by far the most enthusiastic of the hire; pretty much everyone here at best has simply resigned themselves to the fact that Carl isn't going anywhere for four more years and they're going to have to live with his decisions. They're hoping to make the best of it. I think there's a lot of skepticism of this hire, but I also think the absolutely most futile thing you can do is pull a gochiefs and keep railing against it.

What, you're gonna hold your breath for four years to protest? Why not just take four years off from being a fan until it all blows over? I know that sounds like a pissy "go find another team/you're not a REAL fan" line, but that's pretty much where the logic leads. Declaring war on a guy who hasn't coached a single game yet is pathetic. If you're so convinced he's a disaster, then why bother following the team? So you can hang around and post "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!" threads after every loss? That's cranking the annoying meter up to 11.

Herm Edwards is the coach. Get over it. If he fails, we'll flame his ass just like we do every other Chiefs underachiever. But let's at least give him a chance to prove himself, one way or the other. I mean, what other choice do we have?
:clap:

FringeNC 01-18-2006 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jspchief
So your problem with Edwards is that he took over a good team and had continued success, even improving it? Isn't that exactly what this team needs?

I don't know if Edwards is a "great" coach. But I do feel like he was a good fit for the situation this team is in. If we want to win with our current players, I don't think we can afford the growing pains of someone with no HC experience.

I don't think I need to be any more skeptical of the Edwards hire than I would the hiring of anyone else. He has a respectable resume, with the only real mark against him coming in a year that his team was decimated by injuries.
He was going to be fired. The New Yorkers for the most part wanted him gone. He is probably the only head coach never to have been a coordinator. He doesn't seem to be a very honest guy.

Those are a few legitimate red flags, in my opinion. I think the best case scenario is that he is "Vermeil lite" -- able to create the family atmosphere, but without the knowledge of offense Vermeil had.

htismaqe 01-18-2006 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ROYC75
If the shoe fits .......

What is Marty and Cam doing in SD now ?
Marty and Cam are running the CORYELL offense.

You just invalidated your entire argument.

ROFL

CoMoChief 01-18-2006 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SideWinder
Is it really a GIGANTIC step in the right diection?

Would you be happy with a team like the Skins?

Mediocrity, whether it includes a couple of playoff wins along the way through the years, is still just mediocrity.


At least the Skins play defense. Nothing pisses me off more than to see the Chiefs breakdown so much defensively during a football game. Its coming to a point to where every bad defensive team (at any level) I see out on a field, I ask myself whether that team is really the Kansas City Chiefs.

Logical 01-18-2006 12:27 PM
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Mr. Peterson did not hand me $12 million for nothing. He expects me to win, and I will – approximately 47 percent of the time.”

ROFL

Why is everyone taking this thread so seriously. It is a parody article it is meant to be funny and it is, an example is above.

DaneMcCloud 01-18-2006 12:30 PM
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Your not 100% correct. Herm has no concept of clock management.
That's just plain stupid. He hired a coach, Dick Curl, as his clock manager. He trusted him, just as a head coach should do. Some here think it bit him in the ass. I disagree.

All this "losing record" stuff about Herm is pure BS! How many games would ANY coach in this league win with a 3rd string RB and 4th string QB?!! Does anyone here think that James Killian and Dee Brown (or better yet, Ronnie Cruz) would have won more than 4 games for the Chiefs this year? How ridiculous that so many people seem to forget that Edwards guided his team to the playoffs 3 out of 4 seasons and was one bad kicker from the AFC Championship game in 2005!

If Edwards had his full compliment of offensive and defensive players (i.e. starting QB, starting RB, O-Line, etc.) this past season and still only won 4 games, there would be cause for concern about his coaching ability. But that certainly wasn't the case.

I think there are plenty of posters here guilty of bitching to just bitch. Either that or they don't know jacksh*t about NFL as a whole and only follow the Chiefs.

milkman 01-18-2006 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FringeNC
He was going to be fired. The New Yorkers for the most part wanted him gone. He is probably the only head coach never to have been a coordinator. He doesn't seem to be a very honest guy.

Those are a few legitimate red flags, in my opinion. I think the best case scenario is that he is "Vermeil lite" -- able to create the family atmosphere, but without the knowledge of offense Vermeil had.
Wasn't andy Reid the Packers QB coach when he took the Philly job?

milkman 01-18-2006 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude
At least the Skins play defense. Nothing pisses me off more than to see the Chiefs breakdown so much defensively during a football game. Its coming to a point to where every bad defensive team (at any level) I see out on a field, I ask myself whether that team is really the Kansas City Chiefs.
Yes, at least they did play defense.

But the point is that they really weren't a good team, and that one playoff win doesn't in any way diminish that fact.

foxman 01-18-2006 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rausch
And all those options sucked.

The only HC who's done anything that's available this offseason is Capers, and he's not getting any HC offers...
Thats kind of a BS statement. Almost every replacement coach this season has been a coordinator and we can not know how that's going to pan out. Sure we can all debate that we needed a proven commodity yadda yadda, I challenge that. Why did we need an experianced coach, because we have a veteran team? Thats a weak reason IMO.


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Originally Posted by Originally Posted by siberian khatru
What, you're gonna hold your breath for four years to protest? Why not just take four years off from being a fan until it all blows over? I know that sounds like a pissy "go find another team/you're not a REAL fan" line, but that's pretty much where the logic leads. Declaring war on a guy who hasn't coached a single game yet is pathetic. If you're so convinced he's a disaster, then why bother following the team? So you can hang around and post "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!" threads after every loss? That's cranking the annoying meter up to 11.

Herm Edwards is the coach. Get over it.
Threads like this allow us to bitch and complain. I don't think anyone expects to change anything.....so as you say, GET OVER IT.

Brock 01-18-2006 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
I think there are plenty of posters here guilty of bitching to just bitch. Either that or they don't know jacksh*t about NFL as a whole and only follow the Chiefs.
Okay, B_Ambuehl. Where did Cam Cameron coach again?

ROYC75 01-18-2006 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Marty and Cam are running the CORYELL offense.

You just invalidated your entire argument.

ROFL
Really ? I guess when you ask a question with a ? mark it means nothing.

Let me break this down for you...... I was asking a question, OK .

FTR, no I was not on the Herm Edwards ( for sensitve folks ) bandwagon, I think he was laid back ( muck like DV ) and managed the clock poorly. I do think he had enough talent in NY to win and didn't.

Grant it, he is still young at coaching ( with only having 5 years HC ) and maybe he can correct those issues.


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