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JimNasium 03-03-2006 09:56 AM

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Seek 03-03-2006 09:57 AM

[QUOTE=jspchief]I know little about Team Priest, so I can't comment. As for the rest...

He threatened to hold out for more money, because he was making almost nothing, and was playing like the best RTB in the game. He deserved more money. Then answered that new contract by setting the record for TDs in a season. Boy, what a jerk. So what if he talked about retirement? He was down because his father was at war. I don't care what he hinted at, because he showed up on the field, and tore the NFL a new asshole.

It sounds to me like you have a personal beef with him from that Team Priest thing.
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Your are a little mixed up. Priest step father didn't leave for war, the year he mentioned retirement. It was his excuse the second year, he mentioned retirement. I know because I had lunch with his mother and step father, before the Oakland Raider game that year. A very cold day, Priest had a hell of a game. His father was just debating on leaving at that time. I loved his parents and I love Priest. Which is why I use the name Holmesfan on the Star forum.

I have nothing against him personaly. But he is selfish. But so am I and I would do the same thing, if my body took a beating like his does, and if I had to spend months away from my family.

To say he isn't selfish because he is getting more money for restructuring is blowing smoke up his ass. We don't know the details of the restructure, but I am 99% sure he didn't take a pay cut. Know one calls Tony G selfish, because he threatened a hold out for more money. Then again Tony G, didn't talk of retirement the following year after getting a huge pay check. Now one calls Will Shields selfish after he held out years ago. Then again, they actually give back to communities.

I don't know anything about him being mean or rude to fans, other than knowing for a fact that he got on the star forum and messed with people just to piss them off. Specially when it dealt with him. IE KCDave.

Chiefaholic 03-03-2006 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
I know little about Team Priest, so I can't comment. It sounds to me like you have a personal beef with him from that.
As for the rest...

He threatened to hold out for more money, because he was making almost nothing, and was playing like the best RB in the game. He deserved more money. Then answered that new contract by setting the record for TDs in a season. Boy, what a jerk. So what if he talked about retirement? He was down because his father was at war. I don't care what he hinted at, because he showed up on the field, and tore the NFL a new asshole.

As for the restructure, we don't know what he did. It's entirely possible he did take a pay cut. All anyone knows is that NFLPA is reporting he's getting a lower base than he would have. And regardless of if it was a cut or a restructure, the team wanted him to do it. There's nothing selfish about making a concession to help your team out. It doesn't matter if he isn't giving back a dime, he did what the team asked him to do. No one is claiming he's charitable, but that doesn't mean he's selfish either.

Personally, I don't think Holmes has done anything particularly selfish while with this team. There's a lot of people that take guesses at his motives, but in the end, there's never proof behind that speculation. All he's done is play his ass off for the Chiefs, and he gets crucified because he's not a nice guy to the fans.


WOW!!! I couldn't agree with you more. Rep worthy post... Priest is the first HB we've had in KC worth a crap since OKOYE. The man made KC's offense exciting to watch again. Yet, a handful of people crusify him for asking to be paid in the neighborhood of his production on the field. Then they still have the gaul to call him selfish after taking one for the team and restructuring his contract. Priest IS and always will be one of my favorite Chiefs of all time.

Seek 03-03-2006 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ
Keeps them from *having* to cut players now that they want to keep... ie Will Sheilds.

IFthere is no CBA, the current CBA ends after this year, meaning any Signing Bonus a player receives, is not allowed to be allocated over the years like before. Any Signing bonus given is a cap hit for this year. Which is why everyone Bell is such a cap hit with his 5 million bonus due.

I don't see Priest waiting around one year to get a roster bonus, that he would lose if the Chiefs cut him. he would have to absolutely trust that CP is not screwing him.

jspchief 03-03-2006 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Seek
IFthere is no CBA, the current CBA ends after this year, meaning any Signing Bonus a player receives, is not allowed to be allocated over the years like before. Any Signing bonus given is a cap hit for this year. Which is why everyone Bell is such a cap hit with his 5 million bonus due.

You need to get your facts straight. The signing bonus must be spread over no more than 4 years once the CBA expires. Since Holmes only has 4 years left on his contract, the CBA's effect on pro-ration of bonuses doesn't matter.

Wile_E_Coyote 03-03-2006 10:15 AM

The Beast & Priest PBJ

htismaqe 03-03-2006 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsfaninPA
If your boss came to you and asked you to take a pay cut would you? Why should he be any different and want to. We would all be upset and seem a little selfish if we thought we were worth more and couldn't get it. But in the next breath management is asking you to take a pay cut.

Bullshit.

His boss didn't ask him to pay cut.

His boss said "Hey man. Can I cut your yearly salary by 50% and in exchange I'll give you 100% of that cut and more in a cashier's check right now?"

jspchief 03-03-2006 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Bullshit.

His boss didn't ask him to pay cut.

His boss said "Hey man. Can I cut your yearly salary by 50% and in exchange I'll give you 100% of that cut and more in a cashier's check right now?"

So is Priest selfish for accepting?

Like I said before, I don't think anyone's claiming that Holmes is making some big concession. But he's not being selfish either.

The one thing being ignored in all of this is that the team wanted him to do this. Regardless of how he might benefit, he's scratching the team's back.

huskerdooz 03-03-2006 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
You mean to lower the cap hit?

But his base doesn't effect the cap if he retires anyway, so it wouldn't matter if it was high or low. It's the signing bonus that hits the cap.

But his base does effect the salary cap until he officially retires if he indeed does intend to. Not including any bonuses that may have been included in the renegotiation, it looks like Priest's cap # has been reduced by a little over 2.5 mil (2.68 mil to be exact). If Priest decides to go ahead an retire later, the rest of his salary will come off the cap but his bonuses will be accelerated as well.

jspchief 03-03-2006 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by huskerdooz
But his base does effect the salary cap until he officially retires if he indeed does intend to. Not including any bonuses that may have been included in the renegotiation, it looks like Priest's cap # has been reduced by a little over 2.5 mil (2.68 mil to be exact). If Priest decides to go ahead an retire later, the rest of his salary will come off the cap but his bonuses will be accelerated as well.

Yea, I get it now. It basically makes him affordable while he contemplates retirement. Not a bad deal for the Chiefs, regardless of what he decides to do.

htismaqe 03-03-2006 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief
So is Priest selfish for accepting?

Like I said before, I don't think anyone's claiming that Holmes is making some big concession. But he's not being selfish either.

The one thing being ignored in all of this is that the team wanted him to do this. Regardless of how he might benefit, he's scratching the team's back.

No.

I don't think Priest is selfish.

I just have a problem with people that think Priest is HONORABLE or above reproach.

Priest is a human being. And not a very humble one at that, despite the charade.

I have a much different view of Priest after the 2003 offseason.

jidar 03-03-2006 10:23 AM

There was a time when Sports Illustrated said Priest Holmes was the most underpaid player in the NFL.
I'm not about to call him selfish for having contract disputes about that, not a chance.

He's a helluva football player and a damn fine person in my book.

jspchief 03-03-2006 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
No.

I don't think Priest is selfish.

I just have a problem with people that think Priest is HONORABLE or above reproach.

Priest is a human being. And not a very humble one at that, despite the charade.

I have a much different view of Priest after the 2003 offseason.

I don't know about above reproach, but I do believe he's get's a lot more shit than he deserves. Some attitudes around here are disproportionate to what Holmes has actually earned. I think the LJ situation has created a lot of bitterness that has nothing do with who Priest really is.

Wile_E_Coyote 03-03-2006 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Seek
Do you remember Team Priest! If so do you know anything about them. Now I spent some quality time with Team Priest. I saw how their charity spent money. All they way up until, they left and went back to school. Lets say I lost tons of respect for Priest charity that year. Don't get me wrong, they made a difference for kids. I mean buying them a 400 dollor custom made 31 leather jacket, and calling them Priest Jr. is exactly what they needed.

just because they sell for $400 retail doesn't mean that is what they cost Team Priest. He may did a little work for them or got them for next to nothing

jspchief 03-03-2006 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote
just because they sell for $400 retail doesn't mean that is what they cost Team Priest. He may did a little work for them or got them for next to nothing

The funny thing is, Holmes giving away that jacket was part of the example of how he is selfish. :)

You might say his charity was poorly run, or misguided in their targets or approach, but the fact remains he was giving something away.


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