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Skyy God 03-20-2006 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by shortbuskid
If you're gonna spend 30 grand on a car, make a good decision and buy a new BMW 325.

Not only is it 100x the car the Mustang is, you get 50,000 miles where all you pay for is gas. BMW covers all the routine crap like oil changes and wiper blades for 4 years or 50,000 miles.

The car drives like a dream and for 30 grand you can get a large amount of options. You will also get a good discount as well, typically 4-5 grand off the price.
Good luck trying to bring IA Chiefs Fan around on this. You could fit the number of consumers deciding between the Mustang and a 3-series in an elevator.

$32K offers a ton of nice options on cars. IA, have you ever considered the Infiniti G35? Or are you looking at domestic only?

sedated 03-20-2006 10:06 AM
I wouldn't buy any car not from Japan or Germany

Eleazar 03-20-2006 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Amnorix
Here's page 1 of a 7 page set of articles on how to buy a new car and avoid getting ripped off. It's funny and informative, but it is a long read.

I **STRONGLY** recommend you read it so you understand all the ways dealers can screw you.

A few general tips for you:

1. buy towards the end of the month (whatever month you're talking about) if you can. Not that you'll get a steal, but the dealers are always looking to close out a month strong.

2. If you're financing, try to get financing from your bank or a credit union lined up in advance. Dealer loans are usually at worse rates.

3. If you're doing a trade in, be sure to negotiate it separately. Negotiate the price of the car you're buying, and THEN deal with the trade in.

4. Often, the salesperson will be asking you questions that are irrelevant. "How much a month are you looking to spend". That's not the question. The question is how much is the car. THEN you figure out your monthly from there.

RESEARCH what you are doing and how you will do it before you walk into the dealership. Don't be a "lay down" for them. Cars are usually the second most valuable thing people buy, and yet they nearly always go to the dealership, clueless, hat in hand, hoping the dealer will treat them fairly. And often, that ain't how it works out.
I have only had the distinct displeasure of buying 1 new vehicle so far, but that selling price/interest rate/monthly payment shell game really pissed me off.

I mean, did they think I was stupid because I was a 20 year old kid in there trying to buy a new car? Or does it just work on everyone so it's S.O.P.? Do people think you can just name your monthly payment and they won't be taking the money back in some other part of the deal? It's insulting.

I read on some carbuying website that a lot of people are buying cars through websites like carsdirect.com - apparently, you just pick the options you want and it shows you a price that seems to be really competitive, and they find a dealer who will sell the car for that price and ship it to you. Might be something worth looking into- it would be worth a few extra bucks not to deal with salespeople, even if it wasn't cheaper.

thebrad84 03-20-2006 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by frazod
I love my Mustang. I've had it for just over a year now.

However, if you're purchasing a car that will be your sole means of transportation, keep in mind a couple of things:

1. This car SUCKS on snow and/or ice. Let me say that again - SUCKS. SUCKS LARGE. It isn't exactly great on wet surfaces, either. This is a light, rear wheel drive car with lots of power (and I only have the V6 - the V8 would be even worse).

2. The backseat is basically useless unless you plan on hauling around legless midgets.

3. Not much in the of truck space, either. And if you get one with the subwoofer in the trunk, there goes a 1/4 of the limited space right there.

This car is cool, and fun, and fast. It is NOT terribly functional for general purposes. Just keep the limitations in mind.
You aren't kidding about the horrible traction. I had a '02 v6 camaro for a couple of years and pretty much hated everything about it. Not only did I have to have several things fixed on it (drivers and passenger side windows, a/c fan, lateral wheel runout (wtf that means i'm still not sure), etc.), but the thing absolutely sucked ahole on snow/ice (I would not drive it on snow days) and was almost as bad on just plain wet roads. I damn near killed myself on the highway in that thing while trying to pass a semi during a summer downpour. I didn't lose it, but I came very very close, and to this day have no idea how I managed to keep it relatively straight. After that day I said I was through with that POS and looked for a new car. You'd have to pay me to drive a rear-wheel drive car again.

Eleazar 03-20-2006 10:30 AM
If you have 32K to spend, you could get a lot of great cars with excellent all-around performance. That's the right price point for a load of European or Japanese performance sedans with ample power, handling, interior refinement, etc. There are even a few with all-wheel drive in that price range if wet and snow performance is a concern.

It seems like it's tough anymore to get much car for under 20k new, but at about 30k you can get something really nice.

Frazod 03-20-2006 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by thebrad84
You aren't kidding about the horrible traction. I had a '02 v6 camaro for a couple of years and pretty much hated everything about it. Not only did I have to have several things fixed on it (drivers and passenger side windows, a/c fan, lateral wheel runout (wtf that means i'm still not sure), etc.), but the thing absolutely sucked ahole on snow/ice (I would not drive it on snow days) and was almost as bad on just plain wet roads. I damn near killed myself on the highway in that thing while trying to pass a semi during a summer downpour. I didn't lose it, but I came very very close, and to this day have no idea how I managed to keep it relatively straight. After that day I said I was through with that POS and looked for a new car. You'd have to pay me to drive a rear-wheel drive car again.
Sounds like you really hated your car - I like mine, unless its snowing. Basically I have a great nice weather/weekend toy car that I have to use every day because I can't afford two vehicles. Not the smartest purchase I ever made - but still, I love the car anyway. I guess it's like being married to a gorgeous stripper who can't cook. You can't have everything. :D

Archie F. Swin 03-20-2006 11:51 AM
32k on a Mustang? Hell, may as well get a 'vette.

King_Chief_Fan 03-20-2006 11:52 AM
As you can tell by my avatar, I have a black 05 Premium coupe.
It has every option that can be had... all the trim, gadgets, sound system and red leather. I really love this car. I ordered it in March last year and got it in June of last year. Ordering your own with exactly what you want is the only way to go. If you can't find what you want, order it. Don't settle othewise.
Last year there was no dealing. I got mine through an x plan.
I would guess by now that some discounts can be had since I see a pot load of them on dealers lots. Wasn't the case last year.

King_Chief_Fan 03-20-2006 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by frazod
I love my Mustang. I've had it for just over a year now.

However, if you're purchasing a car that will be your sole means of transportation, keep in mind a couple of things:

1. This car SUCKS on snow and/or ice. Let me say that again - SUCKS. SUCKS LARGE. It isn't exactly great on wet surfaces, either. This is a light, rear wheel drive car with lots of power (and I only have the V6 - the V8 would be even worse).

2. The backseat is basically useless unless you plan on hauling around legless midgets.

3. Not much in the of truck space, either. And if you get one with the subwoofer in the trunk, there goes a 1/4 of the limited space right there.

This car is cool, and fun, and fast. It is NOT terribly functional for general purposes. Just keep the limitations in mind.
I would agree on all your points. With this car you have to have at least 2 cars...I have to have 3. One is the wife's,(she doesn't like me driving hers, the mustang is mine (I don't want the wife driving mine)and a beater for the inclimate weather.
But the Mustang is the most fun car I have had.

thebrad84 03-20-2006 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod
Sounds like you really hated your car - I like mine, unless its snowing. Basically I have a great nice weather/weekend toy car that I have to use every day because I can't afford two vehicles. Not the smartest purchase I ever made - but still, I love the car anyway. I guess it's like being married to a gorgeous stripper who can't cook. You can't have everything. :D
Hahaha...well, I was really excited when I got it, and yes, I liked it when it was warm and dry. But anytime it rained I got a bit nervous and I never drove it when there was any chance of snow. So, what, about a 1/4 of the time I hated it for weather reason, and add on another 1/4 of the time it had something go wrong/it was in the shop to get fixed, i'd say i loved it 1/2 of the time and hated it 1/2 of the time. Like I said, that day I almost lost it on the highway going 65, I was done with that car. IMO, there is absolutely no reason you should fear for your life when driving in the rain.

Rain Man 03-20-2006 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pittsie
Good luck trying to bring IA Chiefs Fan around on this. You could fit the number of consumers deciding between the Mustang and a 3-series in an elevator.

$32K offers a ton of nice options on cars. IA, have you ever considered the Infiniti G35? Or are you looking at domestic only?
I must say, I like the look of the G35 coupe. The sedan is ...eh... but the couple is pretty cool looking.

Of course, for about the same price one can go with either a BMW Z4 and get a cool convertible, or for less one can get a Chrysler Crossfire, which I think is a really cool-looking vehicle. I like the Crossfire coupe's look better than that of their convertible, though.

The odd thing about the Crossfire is that (a while back when I was just poking around looking at them), their base price included only one option. You couldn't pick the color of the vehicle, and I don't think you could even pick other options. If you wanted anything other than the base color (black, I think - I don't remember), you had to get the upgraded version that cost quite a bit more. I thought it was an interesting way to advertise a low base cost, knowing that 80 percent of buyers will immediately have to upgrade.

Frazod 03-20-2006 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan
I would agree on all your points. With this car you have to have at least 2 cars...I have to have 3. One is the wife's,(she doesn't like me driving hers, the mustang is mine (I don't want the wife driving mine)and a beater for the inclimate weather.
But the Mustang is the most fun car I have had.
Yeah, it is what it is.

The first morning I drove the Mustang on snow was a trip down memory lane I could have done without - I hadn't driven a RWD car in over 15 years, and that was an '85 Cutlass Supreme, which was much larger and heavier. I had no weight in the trunk and about a 1/4 tank of gas, and fishtailed several times going down the street until I got the hang of it.

Now, if I know there's a possibility of serious snow, I make sure the gas tank is full and load an extra 150 pounds of cat litter in the trunk - that certainly makes it better. Of course, I don't have to drive all the way to work - I drive about a mile and then take a train into Chicago. That makes it better, too.

But having this car certainly curtails non-essential driving in shitty weather. Wish I had some sort of truck for the bad days, but another vehicle just isn't in the budget.

Frazod 03-20-2006 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by thebrad84
Hahaha...well, I was really excited when I got it, and yes, I liked it when it was warm and dry. But anytime it rained I got a bit nervous and I never drove it when there was any chance of snow. So, what, about a 1/4 of the time I hated it for weather reason, and add on another 1/4 of the time it had something go wrong/it was in the shop to get fixed, i'd say i loved it 1/2 of the time and hated it 1/2 of the time. Like I said, that day I almost lost it on the highway going 65, I was done with that car. IMO, there is absolutely no reason you should fear for your life when driving in the rain.
Glad I never got a Camaro. Sounds like you didn't have a particularly good one, either.

SBK 03-20-2006 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pittsie
Good luck trying to bring IA Chiefs Fan around on this. You could fit the number of consumers deciding between the Mustang and a 3-series in an elevator.

$32K offers a ton of nice options on cars. IA, have you ever considered the Infiniti G35? Or are you looking at domestic only?
I'm sure that every person that drove a 3 series and a Mustang picked the BMW. That decision would be easier than marrying the girl with herpes on her penis or some hot chick you see in a magazine.

Seriously though, I drove a G35 coupe, 6MT and everything, and it's a bad car, but it's no 3 series. The control in a BMW is un-freakin-believable.

Skyy God 03-20-2006 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man
I must say, I like the look of the G35 coupe. The sedan is ...eh... but the couple is pretty cool looking.

Of course, for about the same price one can go with either a BMW Z4 and get a cool convertible, or for less one can get a Chrysler Crossfire, which I think is a really cool-looking vehicle. I like the Crossfire coupe's look better than that of their convertible, though.

The odd thing about the Crossfire is that (a while back when I was just poking around looking at them), their base price included only one option. You couldn't pick the color of the vehicle, and I don't think you could even pick other options. If you wanted anything other than the base color (black, I think - I don't remember), you had to get the upgraded version that cost quite a bit more. I thought it was an interesting way to advertise a low base cost, knowing that 80 percent of buyers will immediately have to upgrade.
Disclaimer: I haven't driven the G35 coupe, just test drove one with my dad and rode in my friends a few times. He knows better not to let me test drive it, as he's been with me when I had my V6 Accord coupe up to 120 on the interstate. That said, it's probably the best balance of performance and value of coupe at that price point. I think they're available with 3% financing also.

Buying a Mustang to me is just silly. Repair costs and excess depreciation make them much more expensive than a similar German or Japanese car. Check out the sky high 5 year ownership costs at this link. http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/pr...fire&trimid=-1


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