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Mr. Laz 08-18-2006 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I haven't actually seen the game yet. :D

:LOL:

Otter 08-18-2006 01:09 PM

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Hydrae 08-18-2006 01:57 PM

All I know is that pretty much all the pressure Trent got in his part of the game were the direct result of Bober looking more like a marshmallow than an NFL lineman. The only time his man wasn't in Trent's face was when he was getting help from Cruz or Weigmann.

ChiefFan31 08-18-2006 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Gretz
Football teams win championships, and the Chiefs haven’t been a “team” for the last five years. They don’t have a lot of carry over from last year to build on.

WTF is this guy talking about? Does he wish to go back to the Glory season of 2001 when we were a TEAM??


I know, He is throwing Vermeil under the bus for the 20th article in a row. But still.....what an Dumbass.


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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Black at guard worries me much less than Black at tackle...

Agreed. I just hope we havent shot his confidence down the toilet by continually trying to play the guy at Tackle.

sedated 08-18-2006 02:24 PM

while I don't like blaming Vermeil, I'll say that it is difficult to take over a team that was successful.

It's similar to the Jayhawks when roy left and Bill Self took over. All kinds of talent, but when you want to change something, everyone questions it. "why change what has been successful?"



...or maybe Self and Herm are just bad coaches

BigChiefFan 08-18-2006 02:27 PM

I sure hope Shields is ready for the opener. Our O-line is decimated with injuries at this point.

Calcountry 08-18-2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69
Gretz: "This group of Chiefs veterans has done nothing to think they are anything special in the NFL. They didn’t make the playoffs last year, or the year before. They’ve made the playoffs once in the last eight years. All those Pro Bowl berths and offensive records are withered flowers when it comes to the 2006 season.

As a team, they’ve accomplished nothing. And, that’s exactly what they accomplished Thursday night before a national television audience: nothing."



Whatever you do, Bob, don't blame the guy who has assembled these players who have made the playoffs once in the last eight years.

No kidding. And more than that, never ever blame the guy who faithfully keeps him employed.

Rausch 08-18-2006 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by coryt
I'm not seeing anything about Will Shields anywhere except this article from Gretz. Anyone else?

I really didn't see $#it in the article about it either...

stevieray 08-18-2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

That's a bunch of garbage... and it's the real problem with this organization, nobody is ever held at fault. Just like Gunther can fail and fail and fail... and first it's the players, then it's the coaches. But never Gunther! Or Carl getting 218 chances to build this team. Everybody always has an excuse.

Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

Vermiel might've been here for five years, but where is the continuity this team seems to have lost since the 97 playoff team?

Gunther inherited a team in disarray, as did DV. DV bulit one half in his tenure, but didn't leave Herm any depth. At all. With the loss of PH, WR. and TR, if we lose another starter on offense, especially skill position, we're done. Without depth for this season or the future.

Same on defense, other than safety where is our depth?.... and even that remains to be seen. While we do have some talent, we all see what happens if Tamba gets hurt, or KM, etc.

The defense seems unable to find an identity, and how could they? Once again, they are changing systems on the fly. How many systems has KM learned since he's been here? No continuity.

And there lies the rub...SD is building a solid franchise for the future, the Invescos remain competitive every year,(hell, they take cast off DT's and get better production than our first round picks). Shanny isn't going anywhere, and Marty prolly isn't either, while we play on the neverending merry go round of patch work and hope. If we were going with a defensive minded coach, you have to retain AS to at least keep some of the magic on offense intact, especially when you lose lockerroom leaders like roaf, Priest, and TRch


While I still have hope, it just seems the expectations are a little too high for a first year coach.

Nzoner 08-18-2006 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

Vermiel might've been here for five years, but where is the continuity this team seems to have lost since the 97 playoff team?

Gunther inherited a team in disarray, as did DV. DV bulit one half in his tenure, but didn't leave Herm any depth. At all. With the loss of PH, WR. and TR, if we lose another starter on offense, especially skill position, we're done. Without depth for this season or the future.

Same on defense, other than safety where is our depth?.... and even that remains to be seen. While we do have some talent, we all see what happens if Tamba gets hurt, or KM, etc.

The defense seems unable to find an identity, and how could they? Once again, they are changing systems on the fly. How many systems has KM learned since he's been here? No continuity.

And there lies the rub...SD is building a solid franchise for the future, the Invescos remain competitive every year,(hell, they take cast off DT's and get better production than our first round picks). Shanny isn't going anywhere, and Marty prolly isn't either, while we play on the neverending merry go round of patch work and hope. If we were going with a defensive minded coach, you have to retain AS to at least keep some of the magic on offense intact, especially when you lose lockerroom leaders like roaf, Priest, and TRch


While I still have hope, it just seems the expectations are a little too high for a first year coach.

Wow buddy that was a depressing read(although very true) and not trying to be funny but if this continues I'm thinking I may be glad I didn't renew.

stevieray 08-18-2006 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner 338
Wow buddy that was a depressing read(although very true) and not trying to be funny but if this continues I'm thinking I may be glad I didn't renew.

I actually thought about you in that context after the game last night.

BigChiefFan 08-18-2006 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=stevieray]Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

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Can you elaborate on that?

Nzoner 08-18-2006 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
I actually thought about you in that context after the game last night.

I was at a bar watching last night and behind me was a Raiders fan,I didn't even have the confidence in the team to talk any smack with him.

Again,I'm anxious to see how they look at home next weekend.

stevieray 08-18-2006 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=BigChiefFan]
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Originally Posted by stevieray
Somebody in the know once told me that everyone at Arrowhead takes advantage of each other.

QUOTE]

Can you elaborate on that?


No, and in retrospect, I regret typing it.

Sorry.


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