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Hydrae 03-27-2007 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Craash
Great, now we are throwing science and logic RIGHT out the window.


Huh? Just because it is a good place for people to socialize?

Saulbadguy 03-27-2007 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ZepSinger
That's not necessarily true. When my middle daughter was born, our pediatrician pressured us to immunize her with something that had recently come out. We did so. Then, about a year later, he said that they had to discontinue that type of immunization because it was found to cause irritation in the esophagus, which caused babies to spit up far more than normal (which was indeed the case with our daughter). So yes, I believe that the medical community can and does over-immunize. Some immunizations are imperative yes, but not all

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I'll agree with all of that. I don't think i'd agree to an immunization that hasn't been proven effective over the long run.

Saulbadguy 03-27-2007 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray
we were too independent to try to save each other from ourselves.

And we have too much of a mob mentality when it comes to destroying each another.

Craash 03-27-2007 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae
Huh? Just because it is a good place for people to socialize?

I'm sorry, I should have followed with a /sarcasm. It just seemed odd for religion to make it's way into a conversation about the benifits, pro/con, of early child care.

stevieray 03-27-2007 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
And we have too much of a mob mentality when it comes to destroying each another.

that's because too many are kids raised in day care...;)

KC Kings 03-27-2007 07:37 AM

This a pretty touchy subject to start the morning off with. Basically, if you stay home with your kids that means you sacrafice more for them and spend more time with them. To me, that is putting your children over yourself which is fine for me because my wife stays at home, but flip that logic around to daycare families and it is pretty insulting.

So now day care has a negative impact on your children? Look at all of the studies that shows what divorce does to kids, (drugs, teen sex, drop out rates, etc...) With 53% of American marriages ending in divorces I think a much bigger issue for our children is divorce rather than preschool.

Also, we live in a middle class neighborhood that is full of young families. Our half completed subdivision fills up 2 full school busses of kids and most of those Mom's stay at home. My wife is in 3 different play groups, the neighborhood committee, Bunko, and spends all day at the pool with the kids during the summer. She knows most of the stay at home Moms and at least 25% of them take Zoloft or some other happy drug because their kids drive them nuts. It is my, uneducated oppinion that for every mom that stays at home because it allows them to spend time with a teach their child, there is another that uses the kids as an excuse for not having to go to work.

eazyb81 03-27-2007 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae
While I agree that his quote was a stretch, I will never understand some people who pay 90% of the second income to ship their kids off. I firmly believe this is stupid and selfish.

I will agree that socialization of young children is good also. That is where Sunday School and church come in nicely. :)

1. 90% of income? I'm not sure where you came up with that figure. Does it really cost around 40 grand to pay for a year of day care?

2. It's selfish to not give up your career because you have a child? Personally I think it's pathetic for a married woman to give up any career aspirations and settle in as a baby maker for the rest of her days.

Simplex3 03-27-2007 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
It's nowhere near 90%. If I had a child right now, it would be around %35 of my wifes income to send the child to daycare. That is a much nicer figure than 100%, IMO.

So 65% of your wife's income is better than raising your own children. I'm shocked that you work in the govt.

Saulbadguy 03-27-2007 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
So 65% of your wife's income is better than raising your own children. I'm shocked that you work in the govt.

That 65% will come in very handy when saving for my childs college. It would be tough to do both (stay at home AND save for a childs college).

Daycare does not raise children, parents do. I don't know why that is such a tough concept to comprehend.

Simplex3 03-27-2007 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81
2. It's selfish to not give up your career because you have a child? Personally I think it's pathetic for a married woman to give up any career aspirations and settle in as a baby maker for the rest of her days.

ROFL

There's always the option of NOT HAVING KIDS.

Please take that option. Darwin will thank you.

BTW, my wife had a career before kids and she'll have one after kids. Oh, and before I forget and get punched in the sack, she has one now. RAISING OUR KIDS.

eazyb81 03-27-2007 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
That 65% will come in very handy when saving for my childs college. It would be tough to do both (stay at home AND save for a childs college).

Daycare does not raise children, parents do. I don't know why that is such a tough concept to comprehend.

Anyone that cares about their kids would home-college them.

Saulbadguy 03-27-2007 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81
1. 90% of income? I'm not sure where you came up with that figure. Does it really cost around 40 grand to pay for a year of day care?

2. It's selfish to not give up your career because you have a child? Personally I think it's pathetic for a married woman to give up any career aspirations and settle in as a baby maker for the rest of her days.

#2 - I'd love to give up any career aspirations to be a stay at home dad. Put up with actual shit than bullshit - it would be much easier.

Simplex3 03-27-2007 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81
Anyone that cares about their kids would home-college them.

No, at that point they're 18 and unless you've f**ked up it's time for them to leave.

eazyb81 03-27-2007 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplex3
ROFL

There's always the option of NOT HAVING KIDS.

Please take that option. Darwin will thank you.

BTW, my wife had a career before kids and she'll have one after kids. Oh, and before I forget and get punched in the sack, she has one now. RAISING OUR KIDS.

So in your world, it's either:

1. Mom must stay home, give up career, and raise children, or

2. Not have kids.

Are you one of the Geico cavemen?

Also, i'm sure your wife will have a scintillating career once the kids grow up. Her 5+ years of cleaning diapers would surely trump the professional experience her peers will have on their resume.

Hydrae 03-27-2007 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81
1. 90% of income? I'm not sure where you came up with that figure. Does it really cost around 40 grand to pay for a year of day care?

2. It's selfish to not give up your career because you have a child? Personally I think it's pathetic for a married woman to give up any career aspirations and settle in as a baby maker for the rest of her days.


Sorry, I know that 90% number seems to have bothered a lot of people from the reaction. I come from a more blue collar type background and have seen mothers working fast food jobs while the kids are in day care. At that point, yes 90% of their income is needed to pay for the child care. Like I said, that makes no sense to me.


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