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Mr. Laz 06-06-2007 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
It's pretty obvious many people here haven't.

no ... you misunderstand me


a good portion of people with addictions don't ever recover from it.


so if your suggesting that Allen is an alcoholic, then it would probably be a good idea to trade him. Chances are that he won't ever really beat it. It's going to be a problem for the rest of his life and will more than likely cause additional suspensions from the NFL.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2007 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium
We've had so many big salaries go off the books in the last two years that I don't see why we couldn't afford both players. Is it smart to sign an aging RB and a drunken DE? That's the philosophical question that Carl has to answer.

we can afford both ...... the chiefs can afford anyone they really want.

the question is:


what is the best decision for the team?

vrs

what is the best decision for the business?

htismaqe 06-06-2007 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz
no ... you misunderstand me

a good portion of people with addictions don't ever recover from it.

so if your suggesting that Allen is an alcoholic, then it would probably be a good idea to trade him. Chances are that he won't ever really beat it. It's going to be a problem for the rest of his life and will more than likely cause additional suspensions from the NFL.

It is true that a portion of addicts never fully recover. I personally would trade Allen, but that's just me.

It also happens to be true that it becomes increasingly easier to stay on the wagon the longer you're on the wagon. The first year is by far the hardest.

Which is why it makes sense, if the Chiefs are intent on signing Allen to a long-term deal instead of trading him, to wait a year to do it.

JimNasium 06-06-2007 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz
we can afford both ...... the chiefs can afford anyone they really want.

the question is:


what is the best decision for the team?

vrs

what is the best decision for the business?

Isn't that what I just said?

htismaqe 06-06-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz
we can afford both ...... the chiefs can afford anyone they really want.

the question is:


what is the best decision for the team?

vrs

what is the best decision for the business?

Actually, in the cases of LJ and Allen, it's not a "versus" situation at all.

htismaqe 06-06-2007 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium
Isn't that what I just said?

I think he's trying to insinuate that the cap/cash effect somehow opposes what might be best for the team.

In this case, I don't at all think that applies.

JimNasium 06-06-2007 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
I think he's trying to insinuate that the cap/cash effect somehow opposes what might be best for the team.

In this case, I don't at all think that applies.

Okay, I see what his angle is now. I agree with you though that it doesn't really apply here.

htismaqe 06-06-2007 01:21 PM

Now that I think about it, he might have a point with LJ.

It might be in the best interest of the team to give him the ball as much as humanly possible and watch him burn up in 2 or 3 years.

That would definitely not be in the interest of the business.

Chiefnj 06-06-2007 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe
Have you ever recovered from an addiction?

Whatever safeguard Carl is going to place in the contract in November, December, January, etc., would be the same one he could place in it right now.

Even if Allen is a boyscout don't you think Carl is going to insist on some clauses that protect the team?

htismaqe 06-06-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj
Whatever safeguard Carl is going to place in the contract in November, December, January, etc., would be the same one he could place in it right now.

Even if Allen is a boyscout don't you think Carl is going to insist on some clauses that protect the team?

Allen and his agent have already indicated that his drinking is in the past and shouldn't have an affect on future negotiations.

So what good does it do for Carl to insist on provisions that Allen won't accept?

htismaqe 06-06-2007 01:25 PM

Furthermore, even though the provisions may be the same now as they would be this time next year, the chance of Jared violating those provisions go down greatly over time.

It doesn't make any sense to set him up for instantaneous failure.

ChiefsCountry 06-06-2007 01:26 PM

Best part of the interview was Carl bashing Keitzman.

OnTheWarpath15 06-06-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry
Best part of the interview was Carl bashing Keitzman.


Really? Good for him.

Care to elaborate for those who didn't hear it?

ChiefsCountry 06-06-2007 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
Really? Good for him.

Care to elaborate for those who didn't hear it?

Petro said something about not being able to go to Herm's press conferences bc they are during his show. And Carl said that they should switch you to afternoon slot bc you get better ratings than the other show.

Mr. Laz 06-06-2007 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JimNasium
Isn't that what I just said?

i was agreeing with you


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