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jAZ 11-05-2007 08:48 AM

Sounded as much like an accidental audio feedback loop as it did a skipping CD.

Garcia Bronco 11-05-2007 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ
Sounded as much like an accidental audio feedback loop as it did a skipping CD.

Again...if the broadcast did that then the whole thing would have been screwed up. Quit making excuses for their cheating ways.

teedubya 11-05-2007 08:59 AM

Hey Garcia... 44-7 to the LIONS!!

ROFL.

Garcia Bronco 11-05-2007 09:39 AM

I'll venture to guess that ESPiN won't even cover this.

morphius 11-05-2007 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco
Again...if the broadcast did that then the whole thing would have been screwed up. Quit making excuses for their cheating ways.

Yeah, because they don't have any control over different audio feeds.

not that I wouldn't mind them getting in trouble with NFL.

Garcia Bronco 11-05-2007 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphius
Yeah, because they don't have any control over different audio feeds.

not that I wouldn't mind them getting in trouble with NFL.

The commentators voices would have been skewed as well. They've been doing this for years and they finally got busted.

jAZ 11-05-2007 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco
Again...if the broadcast did that then the whole thing would have been screwed up. Quit making excuses for their cheating ways.

Not true.

If by "the whole thing" you mean the annoucer's voices would have been screwed up too.

The crowd mic could have been the only mic caught in the feedback loop and it would have only impacted the crowd noise.

I'm not saying that it isn't cheating. I'm saying it's entirely possible it's not. It's also entirely possible it is.

Garcia Bronco 11-05-2007 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jAZ
Not true.

If by "the whole thing" you mean the annoucer's voices would have been screwed up too.

The crowd mic could have been the only mic caught in the feedback loop and it would have only impacted the crowd noise.

I'm not saying that it isn't cheating. I'm saying it's entirely possible it's not. It's also entirely possible it is.

Except that's not one mic recording crowd noise. There was a single point of failure...at the CD player.

Amnorix 11-05-2007 09:55 AM

According to folks on PatsFans.com:

1. Dale Arnold of WEEI (local sports radio) reported that Greg Aiello of hte NFL said that the NFL is investigating this;

2. someone said that it was NOT audible on the radio feed, suggesting that it was a CBS issue, not a Colts issue.

Hope the NFL looks into this, and doens't just brush it under the rug.

the Talking Can 11-05-2007 09:57 AM

oh no! extra noise!

Chief Chief 11-05-2007 10:03 AM

Ashlee Simpson requests to make a half-time appearance at mid-field of the next Dolts home game so she can mumble a few words, dance a silly jig, and walk away...all while getting paid for it.

Amnorix 11-05-2007 10:03 AM

FWIW, a post on a Pats group:

I'm a live audio engineer. This was NOT a broadcast thing. This is my perception of what happened. I posted this on the Pat's group on Usenet. This is a cut and paste.


The Colts have microphones placed in locations around
the stadium. They are probably somewhere in the domed
ceiling. They would be directional shotgun mics and aimed
at the crowd. They would be best aimed at the top half of
the seating so as not to pick up any field noise. When the
opposing team is on offense and before the play starts when
the QB is calling signals, the house, (Colt's), engineer turns
up these mics and feeds them through the stadium's sound
system. This is much better than pre-recorded crowd noise
because it is a perfect audible match to the environment and
there are no recordings of crowd noise to get busted with.

What happened tonight was the engineer turned up the mics
too much. This caused the mics to pick up the sound eminating
from the stadiums sound system, (the amplified crowd noise),
as well as the natural crowd noise. The result is a feedback loop.
As this loop continues to cycle through the mics and speakers
oscillation occurs. This was described as the skipping sound.
At this point the feedback is full bandwidth. This means that all of
the frequencies being reproduced by the system were present
in the loop. If you listen carefully to the recording you will hear
a midrange frequency starting to become predominant. It sounded
like something between 600hz and 800hz was starting to take off.
At this point the engineer became aware of his error and shut off
the mics. That was the abrupt drop in volume that is also on the
recording on the PFT site.

If this was an accident with one of the ref's mics, field noise would
have been pumped through the system such as player's voices. So
I don't think that this a possibility anymore.

I'm practically positive that the Colts were up to no good. Any
audio engineer with a half of brain will recognize that sound.
That includes the multitude of engineers on NFL payroll. I doubt
anything will come of it. It would be a massive scandal for the
league's pretty boy team and a member of the CC. We'll see what
Goodell is made of now. He'd have to have the stadium physically
inspected and chances are that the mics are removed after any
games. What is good is that Goodell and others will now be listening
more intently and this may be enough to make Polian back off and
stop using them. IMO the Colts are cheaters.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...&postcount=140

the Talking Can 11-05-2007 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix
FWIW, a post on a Pats group:

I'm a live audio engineer. This was NOT a broadcast thing. This is my perception of what happened. I posted this on the Pat's group on Usenet. This is a cut and paste.


The Colts have microphones placed in locations around
the stadium. They are probably somewhere in the domed
ceiling. They would be directional shotgun mics and aimed
at the crowd. They would be best aimed at the top half of
the seating so as not to pick up any field noise. When the
opposing team is on offense and before the play starts when
the QB is calling signals, the house, (Colt's), engineer turns
up these mics and feeds them through the stadium's sound
system. This is much better than pre-recorded crowd noise
because it is a perfect audible match to the environment and
there are no recordings of crowd noise to get busted with.

What happened tonight was the engineer turned up the mics
too much. This caused the mics to pick up the sound eminating
from the stadiums sound system, (the amplified crowd noise),
as well as the natural crowd noise. The result is a feedback loop.
As this loop continues to cycle through the mics and speakers
oscillation occurs. This was described as the skipping sound.
At this point the feedback is full bandwidth. This means that all of
the frequencies being reproduced by the system were present
in the loop. If you listen carefully to the recording you will hear
a midrange frequency starting to become predominant. It sounded
like something between 600hz and 800hz was starting to take off.
At this point the engineer became aware of his error and shut off
the mics. That was the abrupt drop in volume that is also on the
recording on the PFT site.

If this was an accident with one of the ref's mics, field noise would
have been pumped through the system such as player's voices. So
I don't think that this a possibility anymore.

I'm practically positive that the Colts were up to no good. Any
audio engineer with a half of brain will recognize that sound.
That includes the multitude of engineers on NFL payroll. I doubt
anything will come of it. It would be a massive scandal for the
league's pretty boy team and a member of the CC. We'll see what
Goodell is made of now. He'd have to have the stadium physically
inspected and chances are that the mics are removed after any
games. What is good is that Goodell and others will now be listening
more intently and this may be enough to make Polian back off and
stop using them. IMO the Colts are cheaters.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...&postcount=140


so what?

Amnorix 11-05-2007 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can
so what?

If they're doing that, they're cheating, as there is an NFL rule against it, punishable by a $50K fine apparently (no 1st round pick, unfortunatley).

And, more importantly (IMHO), they can stick that holier-than-thou attitude of theirs.

Pushead2 11-05-2007 10:30 AM

$50k fine and a loss. Priceless.


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