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BigRock 12-02-2007 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC
Uh no, this is Herms offense... Solari is just a martyr...

Then why did Tony specifically exclude Herm from what he was saying?

Eleazar 12-02-2007 11:25 PM

What was done today that was so bad?

Was it throwing the ball to a defensive end? Was that too conservative?

Was it the multiple trick plays we called?

Going for it on fourth down after what happened last week and giving it to the kid again? That tells Kolby Smith you believe in him.

Was it Huard throwing the ball 35 times (tied for the most attempts he's ever had in a game in his career) We had 40 attempts total today, and if you add in the 8 sacks we called almost 50 pass plays to ~20 or so running plays. Was that was too conservative?

Or was it the fact that we can't block anyone, that we are playing with a stopgap QB and about 4 stopgap players on the line?

Reerun_KC 12-02-2007 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock
Then why did Tony specifically exclude Herm from what he was saying?

Well BigRock I dont know?

Maybe it was directed at Dick Curl and Solari?

At this point I would trust satan himself over anything Herm spewed out of him cock holster.

dirk digler 12-02-2007 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
What was done today that was so bad?

Was it throwing the ball to a defensive end? Was that too conservative?

Was it the multiple trick plays we called?

Going for it on fourth down after what happened last week and giving it to the kid again? That tells Kolby Smith you believe in him.

Was it Huard throwing the ball 35 times (tied for the most attempts he's ever had in a game in his career) We had 40 attempts total today, and if you add in the 8 sacks we called almost 50 pass plays. Was that was too conservative?

Or was it the fact that we can't block anyone, that we are playing with a stopgap QB and about 4 stopgap players on the line?

Only scoring 10pts.

Right now the Chiefs are averaging 14.3 pts a game. On this losing streak they are averaging 14 and 4 of those games were at home. Pathetic.

cdcox 12-02-2007 11:29 PM

It is really self-fulfilling prophesy. Herm wants to win games in the fourth quarter, so he plays the whole game in order to make that happen. The offense just keeps getting worse and worse as he scales things back more and more. He breeds self-doubt in the offense.

Eleazar 12-02-2007 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler
Only scoring 10pts.

Right now the Chiefs are averaging 14.3 pts a game. On this losing streak they are averaging 14 and 4 of those games were at home. Pathetic.

I don't see how this game is on Herm. Everyone complained that he wouldn't throw the ball around, and with Croyle, they didn't. But he didn't kill us with playcalling today. Hell Solari's game looked more like Mike Martz today in terms of pass/run.

I don't remember seeing any kind of a call were I was like "That's herm, being conservative."

Reerun_KC 12-02-2007 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
It is really self-fulfilling prophesy. Herm wants to win games in the fourth quarter, so he plays the whole game in order to make that happen. The offense just keeps getting worse and worse as he scales things back more and more. He breeds self-doubt in the offense.

He has been doing that since day one!

dirk digler 12-02-2007 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
It is really self-fulfilling prophesy. Herm wants to win games in the fourth quarter, so he plays the whole game in order to make that happen. The offense just keeps getting worse and worse as he scales things back more and more. He breeds self-doubt in the offense.

Yep that is exactly what Tony is trying to say.

cdcox 12-02-2007 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
What was done today that was so bad?

It's not one day. It is cummulative since the day he got here and started telling Trent Green he has to quit taking risks with the ball. The effects are cummulative. We just keep getting worse and worse. The things that worked last year don't work this year, even after we supposedly upgraded the OL and recieving corp. That is a sign of a bad coach.

Reerun_KC 12-02-2007 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
I don't see how this game is on Herm. Everyone complained that he wouldn't throw the ball around, and with Croyle, they didn't. But he didn't kill us with playcalling today. Hell Solari's game looked more like Mike Martz today in terms of pass/run.

I don't remember seeing any kind of a call were I was like "That's herm, being conservative."

But that doesnt mean the players trust the HC and have confidence that he will put them in a position to succeed. Without that, the players wont give 100% for that coach.

Herm is way to negative to be a head coach. He started bashing the prior coaching staff from day one for validation... That right there shows that he is a weak minded individual.

dirk digler 12-02-2007 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
I don't see how this game is on Herm. Everyone complained that he wouldn't throw the ball around, and with Croyle, they didn't. But he didn't kill us with playcalling today. Hell Solari's game looked more like Mike Martz today in terms of pass/run.

I don't remember seeing any kind of a call were I was like "That's herm, being conservative."

I agree. While watching the game I thought wow they really opened up this O since Damon is the QB.

Also I think because the Chargers aren't very good against the pass it was a favorable matchup to throw the ball.

Reerun_KC 12-02-2007 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
It's not one day. It is cummulative since the day he got here and started telling Trent Green he has to quit taking risks with the ball. The effects are cummulative. We just keep getting worse and worse. The things that worked last year don't work this year, even after we supposedly upgraded the OL and recieving corp. That is a sign of a bad coach.

:bravo:

Your on a roll tonight!

Eleazar 12-02-2007 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler
I agree. While watching the game I thought wow they really opened up this O since Damon is the QB.

Also I think because the Chargers aren't very good against the pass it was a favorable matchup to throw the ball.

I think they are mistaken to coddle Croyle so much. Definitely. They should let him do what Damon tried to do today.

But I don't buy at all that Herm hates passing and all that. He has a different tolerance for risk than most coaches. Too low for most of our tastes including mine. But why this comment and why today? He didn't kill us today.

Call out the linemen for looking like they've quit, call out Huard for not being able to hit a receiver in the numbers... put the blame where it belongs. JMO

dirk digler 12-02-2007 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox
It's not one day. It is cummulative since the day he got here and started telling Trent Green he has to quit taking risks with the ball. The effects are cummulative. We just keep getting worse and worse. The things that worked last year don't work this year, even after we supposedly upgraded the OL and recieving corp. That is a sign of a bad coach.

Yep also a couple of people on the radio today mentioned how they saw the Chiefs run the EXACT same pass play 4 times in the game. Now when AS was here heck he wouldn't run the exact same play in 4-5 games. This team and play calling is way to predictable.

Reerun_KC 12-02-2007 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
I think they are mistaken to coddle Croyle so much. Definitely. They should let him do what Damon tried to do today.

But I don't buy at all that Herm hates passing and all that. He has a different tolerance for risk than most coaches. Too low for most of our tastes including mine. But why this comment and why today? He didn't kill us today.

Call out the linemen for looking like they've quit, call out Huard for not being able to hit a receiver in the numbers... put the blame where it belongs. JMO


True Cochise, but Herm has shattered everyones confidence in the offense including the players...

To me, the way I see it, the players are losing faith in their Head coach. Not a good thing to happen for the team...


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