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KCTitus 01-23-2008 07:35 PM

damn...that's a shame, he was one of the good guys.

bowener 01-23-2008 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
I liked him as a player, definitely, I was saying that because I often wonder when we see people on this site beat up on Michael Vick or Pacman Jones or Heath Ledger just the other day... I often wonder if people would have the same exact reaction if these guys were Chiefs or were star players who were well liked.

We haven't really had any examples, Larry Johnson hit a woman, but I wouldn't say he's especially well liked as Chiefs players go. Jared Allen screwed up with his DWIs, and there were some people who said trade him, but to his credit he's cleaned up his act.

It seems like when it's someone else, we all want to string them up, but when it's one of our own we just refuse to believe that they can be human, and sometimes people are just not good people.

I cant think of the term off the top of my head (from psychology) that goes with this well. The action that occurs during placement of blame (by you) on others or your self typically goes like this: When it is you, external forces caused it; when it is another person, internal forces (from them) caused it. An example being when you are late often to work, it was the traffics fault, or the weathers fault, not that you didnt get up earlier and get out of the house sooner. If somebody else at your place of work is late often, it is because they are lazy, or slobs, and just cant get motivated enough to come to work on time...
The point is we pass judgement on these people without knowing dick about their lives... for all we know Joe Phillips could have had a mental breakdown and may not even literally be the same person. Perhaps he suffered trauma to his brain after years of football and causes him to split personalities and have fugue episodes, or other such occurences, that we, some what healthy minded individuals cannot and most likely will not experience.

Eleazar 01-23-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener
I cant think of the term off the top of my head (from psychology) that goes with this well. The action that occurs during placement of blame (by you) on others or your self typically goes like this: When it is you, external forces caused it; when it is another person, internal forces (from them) caused it. An example being when you are late often to work, it was the traffics fault, or the weathers fault, not that you didnt get up earlier and get out of the house sooner. If somebody else at your place of work is late often, it is because they are lazy, or slobs, and just cant get motivated enough to come to work on time...
The point is we pass judgement on these people without knowing dick about their lives... for all we know Joe Phillips could have had a mental breakdown and may not even literally be the same person. Perhaps he suffered trauma to his brain after years of football and causes him to split personalities and have fugue episodes, or other such occurences, that we, some what healthy minded individuals cannot and most likely will not experience.

Yeah, I remember hearing that in psychology, and it's definitely true. When bad things happen to us, we look for reasons why it's not our own fault, but when they happen to others we assume they are at fault, by default.

Dr.Fine 01-23-2008 08:04 PM

pro--jek-shun

BigRedChief 01-24-2008 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise
Yeah, I remember hearing that in psychology, and it's definitely true. When bad things happen to us, we look for reasons why it's not our own fault, but when they happen to others we assume they are at fault, by default.

You seem to have some psychology education. Can you help me figure out why I'm horizontally challenged?

teedubya 01-24-2008 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac
He is also the reason for the All Joe Team and is named after him.


Did you read this article?

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When Eddie Drummond brought back a kickoff 92 yards for a touchdown for the Detroit Lions, who even thought of Jared DeVries, Kelvin Pritchett, Tyrone Hopson and Cory Schlesinger? Drummond was named to the Pro Bowl while the other four are barely even names.

Why would good players like Joe Phillips go mental like this, when seemingly worthless players like Eddie Drummond are sane?

Chief Henry 01-24-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs
Did you read this article?




Why would good players like Joe Phillips go mental like this, when seemingly worthless players like Eddie Drummond are sane?


Drugs ??? Just a guess.

Bump 01-24-2008 02:08 PM

damn, I've never heard this before about Joe Phillips. One of my favorite Chiefs, sad and surprising.

Bob Dole 01-24-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry
Drugs ??? Just a guess.

Or perhaps realizing that something that had been a significant part of your life since you were a child is suddenly and irretrievably gone.

Bob Dole would imagine it's a tremendous feeling of loss, no matter how well-prepared you might be. Everyone deals with loss in their own way--some of us badly.

Eleazar 01-24-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief
You seem to have some psychology education. Can you help me figure out why I'm horizontally challenged?

You're underheight for your weight. :p

acesn8s 01-24-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
n00b

jumped on the bandwagon

JPsister 01-24-2008 10:23 PM

wait a minute
 
As Joe Phillips' sister, I would like to make a few statements.

Cindy Ream-Phillips saw my brother less than a month ago in a Florida court. Real Sports was well-aware of this fact, filming this court date as well as one in the fall. In fact, the litigation has been ongoing between Joe and Cindy, and they have, either in-person or through representation, been in the same room numerous times over the past six years: three times since September alone.

Cindy left their marriage a wealthy woman; she took at least 1/2 the marital assets. She also defied a court order and took sole control of the children's substantial trust accounts.

During the divorce and for at least a year after, Joe submitted willingly to random testing. He never tested positive for anything.

Joe is living on disability from the NFL. He has been consistently re-evaulated and the result is the same: The damage to his body is among the worst the physicians have seen. He is in constant pain.

While Joe is behind in child support, that only occurred when he ceased to be updated as to the children's trust accounts.

In addition, child support should have been adjusted long ago due to Joe's disability, Cindy's income, and Ashley's majority. However, Cindy continues to insist on the original amount, which insures that Joe will be forever behind in payments.

Cindy's statements of abuse are unsubstantiated and they were not deemed valid in the original divorce decree.

Joe did not abandon his children; he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in court fees and visitation costs. He did not abandon Cindy;
If a person is unhappy in a marriage, they have the right to leave.

It is not hard to imagine how the pain, the lies, and most of all the lack of contact with a person's children might drive him to despair. My brother is not perfect, but he is not what Cindy alleges.

There is much more to this, but I assume this is enough.

Dr.Fine 01-24-2008 10:40 PM

thanks for the update/correction, and well wishes to Joe and the Phillips family.

ClevelandBronco 01-24-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JPsister
As Joe Phillips' sister, I would like to make a few statements.

Cindy Ream-Phillips saw my brother less than a month ago in a Florida court. Real Sports was well-aware of this fact, filming this court date as well as one in the fall. In fact, the litigation has been ongoing between Joe and Cindy, and they have, either in-person or through representation, been in the same room numerous times over the past six years: three times since September alone.

Cindy left their marriage a wealthy woman; she took at least 1/2 the marital assets. She also defied a court order and took sole control of the children's substantial trust accounts.

During the divorce and for at least a year after, Joe submitted willingly to random testing. He never tested positive for anything.

Joe is living on disability from the NFL. He has been consistently re-evaulated and the result is the same: The damage to his body is among the worst the physicians have seen. He is in constant pain.

While Joe is behind in child support, that only occurred when he ceased to be updated as to the children's trust accounts.

In addition, child support should have been adjusted long ago due to Joe's disability, Cindy's income, and Ashley's majority. However, Cindy continues to insist on the original amount, which insures that Joe will be forever behind in payments.

Cindy's statements of abuse are unsubstantiated and they were not deemed valid in the original divorce decree.

Joe did not abandon his children; he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in court fees and visitation costs. He did not abandon Cindy;
If a person is unhappy in a marriage, they have the right to leave.

It is not hard to imagine how the pain, the lies, and most of all the lack of contact with a person's children might drive him to despair. My brother is not perfect, but he is not what Cindy alleges.

There is much more to this, but I assume this is enough.

As a recovering journalist I have to say that I hate much of what goes on in that profession.

BigRedChief 01-24-2008 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JPsister
As Joe Phillips' sister, I would like to make a few statements.

Cindy Ream-Phillips saw my brother less than a month ago in a Florida court. Real Sports was well-aware of this fact, filming this court date as well as one in the fall. In fact, the litigation has been ongoing between Joe and Cindy, and they have, either in-person or through representation, been in the same room numerous times over the past six years: three times since September alone.

Cindy left their marriage a wealthy woman; she took at least 1/2 the marital assets. She also defied a court order and took sole control of the children's substantial trust accounts.

During the divorce and for at least a year after, Joe submitted willingly to random testing. He never tested positive for anything.

Joe is living on disability from the NFL. He has been consistently re-evaulated and the result is the same: The damage to his body is among the worst the physicians have seen. He is in constant pain.

While Joe is behind in child support, that only occurred when he ceased to be updated as to the children's trust accounts.

In addition, child support should have been adjusted long ago due to Joe's disability, Cindy's income, and Ashley's majority. However, Cindy continues to insist on the original amount, which insures that Joe will be forever behind in payments.

Cindy's statements of abuse are unsubstantiated and they were not deemed valid in the original divorce decree.

Joe did not abandon his children; he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in court fees and visitation costs. He did not abandon Cindy;
If a person is unhappy in a marriage, they have the right to leave.

It is not hard to imagine how the pain, the lies, and most of all the lack of contact with a person's children might drive him to despair. My brother is not perfect, but he is not what Cindy alleges.

There is much more to this, but I assume this is enough.

You should tell this to the local KC media or newspaper. Better yet have Joe come forward and speak for himself.

There are a lot of KC Chief fans that still love and cherish the memories of what Joe did on the football field.


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