they're young, give em some time

I think what he is saying is that if a person wants to open a cigar bar and to keep it simple the owner is the only employee, that person should be able to. A posted sign warning smoking allowed gives you the right not to enter. Why shouldn't the owner have the right to operate his bussiness? I agree with limited bans just not city wide bans. It is a rights issue.

Same, out of respect for other people. Thats the way i have always been. Even when i did smoke years and years ago.

I see your point and think that is a good idea, but under the ban, these places couldn't serve food (I think). There's nothing wrong woth a cigar bar, as that you are not going to find families or children there. Hell, it might come down to having cigarrette bars, too. I'd be fine with that, as well.

That is my point while working in Arkansas they passed a limited ban. It only allows smoking in a bussiness that is 21 to enter. I am ok with that type of a ban.

I'm an ex-smoker who quit a few years ago. I think it should be left to the business owners, and the public should decide for themselves by voting with their dollars.

As for Employees, they are equally free to decide if they want to work at a business that allows smoking or not.

Obviously, I'll be voting against this ban.

I don't live in KCMO so I don't know the details. Where I live, things like smoking in bars is OK. There's a threshold on % of food served that defines a restaurant.

Good for you to stand by what you believe. Props.


As I've said before - if smoking bans can be successful in places like New York, Chicago, and LA, I see no reason to why one couldn't work here. And last I checked, there was no civil uprising in these places over this issue.

You need an "I don't live in KC but want to see the results" option.

As for the question, I don't smoke, and I generally think it's a pretty disgusting habit. However, if I go somewhere that smoking is allowed, and I don't like it, I have the right to leave. I'm not a big fan of government regulating things like that.

Yeah. You'd think they'd have a feature called "View Results" or something like that.

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch. Once again:

Your exercising of your rights cannot infringe on other's abilities to exercise theirs. Since everyone has a right to life, unless and until you can keep that smoke entirely to yourself your right to the pursuit of happiness does not outweigh everyone else's right to life.

Yeah, but that requires that I click it every time I revisit the thread, and I'm a lazy bastard.

My kids behave. Do you have smokeless cigarettes?

That's why I live out in Gainesville, no liberal bullshit like that around here.

You also have the right to choose a place that doesn't allow smoking. You have the right to sit in the non-smoking section of places that do allow smoking.