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Hammock Parties 09-26-2008 03:57 PM

Great article by Gretz. He's bang on.

FAX 09-26-2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5056288)
The Titans moved to Nashville in 1997. The period Gretz described was 2004-2006. ...

I'm sure this is just a simple matter of miscommunication and not a conscious, intentional attempt on your part to misdirect the discussion in order to score some cheap gotcha points, Mr. Zouk. I refuse to believe that a person of your intellect and integrity would do something like that. Ever.

But, just to be clear. I mentioned the Tacks' move to Nashville in the context of your prior post which included the following statistics ...

Herm Edwards:

Playoffs: 4 out of 7 years (57%)
Playoff record: 2-3

Jeff Fisher:

Playoffs: 5 out of 13 years (38%)
Playoff record: 5-5

Surely we're on the same page, now. Gretz can talk about whatever he wishes. You, on the other hand, were making the argument that Herm's record compares favorably to Fishers' and you included Fisher's 13 years of tenure in order to make your point. I was simply pointing out (as I've already stated) that Fisher's w/l record should be viewed in light of the many issues he had to fight through while acquiring said record. Just so we're clear.

FAX

Zouk 09-26-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5056269)

Your comment about "People were not singing Jeff Fisher's praises during that period ..." is curious, though. Sure, there were some folks who were harping on him, but just so you know, the vast majority of peeps in Nashville were tremendously supportive of him - even during those crazy times. I think it was because they were just so thrilled to have an NFL team moving in. Had he not started winning, though, I'm sure that would have changed.

FAX


The period I was talking about in the first line was 2004-2006.

FAX 09-26-2008 04:17 PM

Okay ... let's see here ... first, it's 3 years of rebuild, then it's 13 years of record, then it's 3 years of rebuild again. With all respect, Mr. Zouk, this is getting confusing.

I tell you what, let's just pick one, single year we can both agree on and work from there. I'll start ... 1867.

FAX

Deberg_1990 09-26-2008 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5056295)
Great article by Gretz. He's bang on.

How does Carls D*ck taste?

Hammock Parties 09-26-2008 04:26 PM

You know guys, I really resent the notion that I'm trying in some way to please the Chiefs by being positive. I'm not. The Chiefs don't give me anything in return. So please stop.

triple 09-26-2008 04:29 PM

so the point of this is that Gretz thinks we should give Carl 2 more years to show signs of improvement?

Zouk 09-26-2008 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5056342)
Okay ... let's see here ... first, it's 3 years of rebuild, then it's 13 years of record, then it's 3 years of rebuild again. With all respect, Mr. Zouk, this is getting confusing.

I tell you what, let's just pick one, single year we can both agree on and work from there. I'll start ... 1867.

FAX

Dude - you said you thought I was wrong about people being down on Jeff Fisher during "that period" because they were excited the Titans were new to the city. But "that period" I was referring to was almost 10 years after that. And all of that had nothing to do with comparisons to Herm.

When I compared the records I used their entire tenures as coach.

This is not as tricky as you're pretending it is.

FAX 09-26-2008 04:36 PM

Ha! You're not going to fool me with all that "this is not tricky" stuff, Mr. Zouk. I wasn't born yesterday in a barn or someplace. Who do you think you're dealing with, Mr. Skip Towne?

FAX

The Bad Guy 09-26-2008 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5056114)
Herm Edwards:

Playoffs: 4 out of 7 years (57%)
Playoff record: 2-3

Jeff Fisher:

Playoffs: 5 out of 13 years (38%)
Playoff record: 5-5

It's all perception. And you cannot convince me Herm has had better talent than Fisher.

How does Herm's dick taste?

Skip Towne 09-26-2008 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5056367)
Dude - you said you thought I was wrong about people being down on Jeff Fisher during "that period" because they were excited the Titans were new to the city. But "that period" I was referring to was almost 10 years after that. And all of that had nothing to do with comparisons to Herm.

When I compared the records I used their entire tenures as coach.

This is not as tricky as you're pretending it is.

You gotta watch that FAX guy. He's tricky.

The Bad Guy 09-26-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5056361)
You know guys, I really resent the notion that I'm trying in some way to please the Chiefs by being positive. I'm not. The Chiefs don't give me anything in return. So please stop.

If Nick couldn't get press credentials, WPI would be frequented by about 10 people.

Since he can, you have something to gain by licking the taint of the Chiefs.

You have everything to gain. Without this gig, what are you going to do? Move out of the basement and work in fast food?

Deberg_1990 09-26-2008 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5056361)
You know guys, I really resent the notion that I'm trying in some way to please the Chiefs by being positive. I'm not. The Chiefs don't give me anything in return. So please stop.

OK i believe you. ROFL


Why dont you try and be more honest with your readers?? Chiefs fans are not stupid.

Hammock Parties 09-26-2008 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5056387)
Why dont you try and be more honest with your readers?

I give my honest opinion.

Sometimes that opinion is negative.

Reerun_KC 09-26-2008 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5056378)
How does Herm's dick taste?

ROFL


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