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OnTheWarpath15 01-05-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5361465)
Tyson Jackson weighs 290lbs unless you are a 3-4 team why on earth would you want him?

Scott Wright seems to think he can play the 5 technique in a 34, DT or DE in a 43.

And he's not the only one saying it...

Coach 01-05-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5361475)
That's the nature of the NFL, I personally wouldn't pick Sam Bradford regardless.

I wouldn't. I have been saying ever since the 2009 NFL Draft was brought up that I don't want any part of Bradford.

I think it really going to depend on where Sanchez may be pre-ranked. Even that, he could be a top 15 guy. My concern is, if Stafford is gone, and Bradford is there on 3rd, I sure hope that we trade out to get in the 10-15 range, where we HOPE that Sanchez will be avaiable. Hell, I'll go somewhere between 6-8, and reach him a little bit, if I have to.

One way or another, this team has way too many holes, that I'm under the belief that more draft picks is a must........

Mecca 01-05-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5361478)
Scott Wright seems to think he can play the 5 technique in a 34, DT or DE in a 43.

And he's not the only one saying it...

I'm just going with my instinct when I see him I see another LSU product, Marcus Spears.

cdcox 01-05-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5361477)
So if there isn't a QB that we like at #3 what to do?

Taylor Mays at safety would be worth it if he could be an Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu type.

A lot of boards have Aarron Curry rated high, but he'd have to be a monster to take at #3 overall at LB. He'd need a HOF-type career to justify the pick. Is Curry that kind of guy?

After that you're stuck with taking an OT just to take best available athlete. Not my first choice

We really, really need all 3 QBs to come out.

This post was a lot more timely when I started it.

Mecca 01-05-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5361477)
So if there isn't a QB that we like at #3 what to do?

Taylor Mays at safety would be worth it if he could be an Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu type.

A lot of boards have Aarron Curry rated high, but he'd have to be a monster to take at #3 overall at LB. He'd need a HOF-type career to justify the pick. Is Curry that kind of guy?

After that you're stuck with taking an OT just to take best available athlete. Not my first choice

We really, really need all 3 QBs to come out.

As an SC fan I think Mays would cover as much if not more ground than those guys do and be every bit the hitter and intimidating type of player Polamalu is but he doesn't have Reeds hands. To this point he hasn't been a big play guy he's done what he's been asked to do.

The question is do you think in a different system and development of his unbelievable raw talent he becomes more of a playmaker.

OnTheWarpath15 01-05-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5361482)
I'm just going with my instinct when I see him I see another LSU product, Marcus Spears.

Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be best used at the 5, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a 43 team take him.

Mecca 01-06-2009 12:01 AM

I just go with my basic things, I'd never take an oversized end in a 4-3 when I expect the ends to be pass rushers.

cdcox 01-06-2009 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5361481)
I wouldn't. I have been saying ever since the 2009 NFL Draft was brought up that I don't want any part of Bradford.

I think it really going to depend on where Sanchez may be pre-ranked. Even that, he could be a top 15 guy. My concern is, if Stafford is gone, and Bradford is there on 3rd, I sure hope that we trade out to get in the 10-15 range, where we HOPE that Sanchez will be avaiable. Hell, I'll go somewhere between 6-8, and reach him a little bit, if I have to.

One way or another, this team has way too many holes, that I'm under the belief that more draft picks is a must........

QBs are boom or bust. If your guy is there, someone you think can lead your franchise for a decade or more, you pull the trigger regardless of the value. No first round QB turns out to be worth exactly their draft pick. They are either worth far more or far less. If you think he has a chance to be worth far more, why mess around and lose him?

smittysbar 01-06-2009 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5361481)
I wouldn't. I have been saying ever since the 2009 NFL Draft was brought up that I don't want any part of Bradford.

I think it really going to depend on where Sanchez may be pre-ranked. Even that, he could be a top 15 guy. My concern is, if Stafford is gone, and Bradford is there on 3rd, I sure hope that we trade out to get in the 10-15 range, where we HOPE that Sanchez will be avaiable. Hell, I'll go somewhere between 6-8, and reach him a little bit, if I have to.

One way or another, this team has way too many holes, that I'm under the belief that more draft picks is a must........

Sanchez I doubt will fall that far if he comes out.

Coach 01-06-2009 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar (Post 5361496)
Sanchez I doubt will fall that far if he comes out.

I'm just randomally guessing. He hasn't "declared" yet, and there's the matter of pro-days and workouts, etc.

cdcox 01-06-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5361488)
As an SC fan I think Mays would cover as much if not more ground than those guys do and be every bit the hitter and intimidating type of player Polamalu is but he doesn't have Reeds hands. To this point he hasn't been a big play guy he's done what he's been asked to do.

The question is do you think in a different system and development of his unbelievable raw talent he becomes more of a playmaker.

For a guy with his speed, the range is there to be a playmaker. I guess it boils down to a couple things: 1) how are his football instincts and is he teachable and will he have a good film study ethic? You have to be in the right place to make plays. 2) can he learn to catch by on his hands. He doesn't have to be Tony Gonzalez or anything, but I think most people could get better by catching a couple hundred balls a day. 3) how is his vertical jump/body control?

Extra Point 01-06-2009 12:07 AM

I couldn't understand cinching Orakpo in over OT. If that was his decision, then he just fu'd. Leaning at Maualuga moreso, just based on the post-season. Have to wait until after the declaration date, regarding a 1st rd QB.

bowener 01-06-2009 12:08 AM

Okay, something that hasnt come up much if Pioli is picked is will he trade down?

I have seen the Pats do it a few times, not always, but they are always about getting value for their picks. So if the value isnt there at #3, does he sell it to the highest bidder, even if the price is a little cheaper than normal?

Personally, I get a hardon when I think of Mays roaming on our side of the D.

bowener 01-06-2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5361501)
For a guy with his speed, the range is there to be a playmaker. I guess it boils down to a couple things: 1) how are his football instincts and is he teachable and will he have a good film study ethic? You have to be in the right place to make plays. 2) can he learn to catch by on his hands. He doesn't have to be Tony Gonzalez or anything, but I think most people could get better by catching a couple hundred balls a day. 3) how is his vertical jump/body control?

Amazing on all. Serious. For the most part. But ask Mecca.

The kid said in an interview that while the other guys go out to LA and party and have fun, he sits alone and watches game film.

Mecca 01-06-2009 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5361501)
For a guy with his speed, the range is there to be a playmaker. I guess it boils down to a couple things: 1) how are his football instincts and is he teachable and will he have a good film study ethic? You have to be in the right place to make plays. 2) can he learn to catch by on his hands. He doesn't have to be Tony Gonzalez or anything, but I think most people could get better by catching a couple hundred balls a day. 3) how is his vertical jump/body control?

I've seen some people knock his instincts which I think is bullshit...I've seen every game he's played and I've never seen a problem there.

He's a coachable guy and I've seen him say in interviews he basically has no social life because of all the time he spends watching film trying to be the best he can be.


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