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Kyle DeLexus 01-15-2009 11:10 PM
Anyone else have more books or resources like this? I will have a book report to do in one of my classes this semester and these Front Office types of books are perfect.

mikey23545 01-15-2009 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 5395268)
Oh come on you know you'll hear it again. Some guys on this board think we should spend the next 5 or 6 years putting together the best o and D lines in the history of the league and then and only then begin the process of finding a QB. Because you know that makes so much since. By the time that QB is really ready to play those guys on the lines will all have 1 more year to play.
Well, you'll just have to excuse some of us, since you obviously can see what a lack of common since we have....

Kyle DeLexus 01-15-2009 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by MGRS13 (Post 5395268)
Oh come on you know you'll hear it again. Some guys on this board think we should spend the next 5 or 6 years putting together the best o and D lines in the history of the league and then and only then begin the process of finding a QB. Because you know that makes so much since. By the time that QB is really ready to play those guys on the lines will all have 1 more year to play.
BUT DAMN....that'll be a great year eh? haha

Buehler445 01-16-2009 08:27 AM
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Actually it's exactly the same. They list the few players they really want - and regardless of others' opinions (all the idiots thinking they're smart by screeching "reach") they make sure they get him. That's just what happened with Herm and Carr.
The article that I read incinuated that it was an out of the blue pick. Not one that was maticulously broken down and chosen on merit. It sounded like he had seen this kid play and was taking a flyer. It has been documented that Herm doesn't watch much game tape. I really REALLY don't think it is the same.

Stryker 01-16-2009 08:45 AM
Great work OTW!

I like this one:

2) Be able to take a big hit, and then walk into the huddle and call the next play.

Well, that rules out Croyle! ROFL

FringeNC 01-16-2009 08:51 AM
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(A Ryan Leaf fiasco can cripple a franchise for years - "You couldn't get anyone to say anything nice about Leaf when he was leaving," Pioli said. "His teammates were happy to see him leave Washington State. He was an asshole.")
Did other teams predict Leaf would be a disaster, or it is more along the lines the Leaf fiasco changed the way a lot of teams evaluated quarterbacks?

Chiefnj2 01-16-2009 08:54 AM
Curry sounds like a guy Pioli will love.

greyhoodie 01-16-2009 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MWagg72 (Post 5395622)
Anyone else have more books or resources like this? I will have a book report to do in one of my classes this semester and these Front Office types of books are perfect.
It is not a front office book and may not be as interesting to KC fans because it is about BB and doesn't have much on SP. But "The Education of a Coach" by Halberstam is a great read if you want to know more about the smartest coach in the NFL.

Frosty 01-16-2009 09:33 AM
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Did other teams predict Leaf would be a disaster, or it is more along the lines the Leaf fiasco changed the way a lot of teams evaluated quarterbacks?
IIRC, there were a lot of people talking about Leaf's personality problems and how there were red flags. However, there were a lot of teams completely enamored with his physical skills. I do believe that it changed the way most teams evaluated players psychologically after he blew up.

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MWagg72 (Post 5395622)
Anyone else have more books or resources like this? I will have a book report to do in one of my classes this semester and these Front Office types of books are perfect.
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Originally Posted by greyhoodie (Post 5396064)
It is not a front office book and may not be as interesting to KC fans because it is about BB and doesn't have much on SP. But "The Education of a Coach" by Halberstam is a great read if you want to know more about the smartest coach in the NFL.
Greyhoodie is right, it really covers all aspects of the team, but focuses on BB. The good thing is, BB and SP have this vulcan mind-meld thing going on, so most of what applies to BB applies as well to Pioli. There are two chapters that feature Pioli and the scouting department prominently.

As for other books, I HIGHLY recommend "Next Man Up" by John Feinstein.

He follows the Ravens for a year, and it's MUCH more in-depth than Patriot Reign, IMO.

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 12:34 PM
I've got quite a bit to post today...


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There are phone calls, draft meetings, contract negotiations and film studies all rolled into Pioli's job. But what it can be reduced to is this: every day he goes to the office wondering how and where he can find the right kind of players for BB and the Patriots.

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 12:36 PM
Regarding the "Patriot Way"


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What makes the leaders of Patriots football operations different is the value they place on jobs that have no glamour. They truly respect those who do grunt work, so much so that they are willing to promote them if they show the aptitude to be promoted.

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 12:42 PM
Regarding picking the "right guys" and how they fit into the chemistry of the organization:

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They were a close team, something Christian Fauria noticed as soon as he arrived in Foxboro. "It wasn't like this in Seattle," he says. "I'll use Traingin Camp as an example. There was a serving tray where they has the salad, and it was kind of like a divider in the room. There were tables on both sides. I'm telling you, all the white guys were on one side, and the black guys were on the other. Now, I'm not saying it was prejudice or a race issue, but it always seemed to happen that way."

"I don't see that here at all. You see these domino games in the locker room? You have guys like Marc Edwards and Mike Vrabel saying 'slap the domino, mother****er' just like everyone else. Seriously, I think it's a credit to Scott [Pioli]. He really brings good guys in. And I felt that right away. All the guys have the same emphasis on winning."

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 01:09 PM
Regarding player evaluations:

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Before they can know what they need, they need to know who they are. This is one of BB's core philosophies, and it is why he's sitting in this Gillette Stadium room with a binder, noteboo, pens, and pages of football statistics. All of the coaches were there. Adams and Pioli was there. For a couple of days Kraft was there too.

Every Patriots player was under discussion. There were strengths and weaknesses for each one. There were comments and sometimes stats on his mental errors, his performance in the weight room, his ability to be coached, his attitude, he ranking compared to others at his position leaguewide and his ability to help the team next year.

OnTheWarpath15 01-16-2009 01:55 PM
More on Pioli:

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For Pioli, it is about being so thorough so that his scouting department can hold up its end of the deal with BB. The coach wants players who can fit in, or adjust to his system. Pioli is responsible for making sure his staff knows what that system is, can communicate in that system, can make comparisons to other players who have been or are in the system, and can ultimately recommend players who might replenish the system and reject those who don't.


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