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milkman 05-27-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5796303)
Uhhh Gannon "emerged" when he got sick of riding the Chiefs' bench and went somewhere else where he would PLAY.

Unlike Cassel who's been content on the bench for eight years.

Gannon rode the bench in Minnesota and Washington for a number of years, and was out of football for a season, before he rode the bench in KC.

milkman 05-27-2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5796309)
Yeah, wait till the end of this year to see if he's really worth it. If he's not, we can get Colt McCoy in the draft and be set for years.

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5796311)
And yes, I really do think that Colt McCoy is going to be the best QB next year.

:banghead:

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-27-2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5796309)
Yeah, wait till the end of this year to see if he's really worth it. If he's not, we can get Colt McCoy in the draft and be set for years.

No.

bobbything 05-27-2009 10:47 AM

Whitlock complains that we're too far under the cap. Then he complains that we paid too much for Cassel. To me, the inordinate amount of money we're paying him doesn't hurt us at all. I suppose it could if we signed him to a long-term contract at that amount, but since we're not really spending it now, what difference does it make?

Whitlock? Anyone?

Just Passin' By 05-27-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5796236)
Because Competitors want to play, not warm the bench.

http://www.reindesigns.com/Merchant2...llbandfull.jpg

I don't remember Brady transferring from Michigan when all the Drew Henson crap was going on.

orange 05-27-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5796315)
Gannon rode the bench in Minnesota and Washington for a number of years, and was out of football for a season, before he rode the bench in KC.

Sorry but Gannon spent two years with Minn. as the "developmental" QB everyone here seems to think is the way to go; he then was the STARTER for two years. When he was replaced in the starting lineup, he sought and got his release so he could go elsewhere. He was signed by the Redskins after surgery and got three games as a starter before they cut him.

What don't you get? Real players do not sit quietly content holding a clipboard. Dozens - maybe hundreds - of college players every year transfer to get a chance to play. Cassel didn't.

orange 05-27-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5796332)
I don't remember Brady transferring from Michigan when all the Drew Henson crap was going on.

Amazing that you would bring Brady up in this. Brady at Michigan was the anti-Cassel.

From his Wikipedia bio:

Brady played college football for and graduated cum laude from the University of Michigan. He was a backup his first two years while his teammate and future NFL quarterback Brian Griese led the Wolverines to a share of the national championship in 1997 in the Rose Bowl. When he enrolled at Michigan, Brady was seventh on the depth chart and had an intense struggle to get some playing time. At one point, Brady hired a sports psychologist to help him cope with frustration and anxiety and even considered transferring to Cal[7], frustrated by what seemed like a lack of opportunity.[8] Brady battled for the number one quarterback position with Drew Henson and ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts and completions in a season (214).[9] Brady was All-Big Ten (honorable mention) both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference title in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl.[10] In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.

milkman 05-27-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5796343)
Sorry but Gannon spent two years with Minn. as the "developmental" QB everyone here seems to think is the way to go; he then was the STARTER for two years. When he was replaced in the starting lineup, he sought and got his release so he could go elsewhere. He was signed by the Redskins after surgery and got three games as a starter before they cut him.

What don't you get? Real players do not sit quietly content holding a clipboard. Dozens - maybe hundreds - of college players every year transfer to get a chance to play. Cassel didn't.

He spent three years on the bench in Minnesota, and was ineffective as a starter for the following three years.

He was also ineffective as a stater, for 4 games in Washington.

He emerged after years of riding the bench and ineffective play.

I'm not defending Cassel.

I asked the same question.

Why wouldn't he transfer?

But to suggest that Gannon simply "emerged" after leaving KC for a chance to start is sheer unadulterated bull.

wild1 05-27-2009 11:01 AM

the media in this town is going to have a tough time getting used to this new regime.

they will try to create drama and strife for their own purposes but it isn't going to work. they will try to get information but the front office won't be pandering to the media anymore.

they won't be able to get stories just by ingratiating themselves to the Chiefs or by trying to stir the pot. the team is focusing on football and that is what they should do.

whitlock doesn't have an enemy he can use to write a column when he's bored now that Carl is gone.

he'll pick some player to antagonize all year. the new quarterback would be a handy foil.

orange 05-27-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5796358)

But to suggest that Gannon simply "emerged" after leaving KC for a chance to start is sheer unadulterated bull.

Well then, tell that to beach tribe, not me. It's his word. You'll notice I put quotes around it.

But it's also unadulterated bull to suggest Gannon was ever content as a backup. He kept on plugging, seeking new opportunities to play, even grousing on the sidelines (many will tell you he earned the starting job in KC), and finally found his spot.

milkman 05-27-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5796384)
Well then, tell that to beach tribe, not me. It's his word. You'll notice I put quotes around it.

But it's also unadulterated bull to suggest Gannon was ever content as a backup. He kept on plugging, seeking new opportunities to play, even grousing on the sidelines (many will tell you he earned the starting job in KC), and finally found his spot.

I shouldn't have put quotation marks around that word.

The point is, that Gannon flourished only after years and years of development.

He was journeyman QB who, after 11 years as an ieffective starter and bench warmer, landed in the right place with the right system.

HemiEd 05-27-2009 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5796303)
Uhhh Gannon "emerged" when he got sick of riding the Chiefs' bench and went somewhere else where he would PLAY.

Unlike Cassel who's been content on the bench for eight years.

Wrong, Gannon led the Chiefs to 8 straight wins (iirc, maybe more), while Elvis was injurred. Then Marty played Elvis in the playoffs, and as a Bronco fan, you should be very happy about that.

orange 05-27-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 5796411)
Wrong, Gannon led the Chiefs to 8 straight wins (iirc, maybe more), while Elvis was injurred. Then Marty played Elvis in the playoffs, and as a Bronco fan, you should be very happy about that.

"Wrong" you say?

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5796384)
(many will tell you he earned the starting job in KC)

I believe I already addressed that.

Just Passin' By 05-27-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5796348)
Amazing that you would bring Brady up in this. Brady at Michigan was the anti-Cassel.

From his Wikipedia bio:

Brady played college football for and graduated cum laude from the University of Michigan. He was a backup his first two years while his teammate and future NFL quarterback Brian Griese led the Wolverines to a share of the national championship in 1997 in the Rose Bowl. When he enrolled at Michigan, Brady was seventh on the depth chart and had an intense struggle to get some playing time. At one point, Brady hired a sports psychologist to help him cope with frustration and anxiety and even considered transferring to Cal[7], frustrated by what seemed like a lack of opportunity.[8] Brady battled for the number one quarterback position with Drew Henson and ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts and completions in a season (214).[9] Brady was All-Big Ten (honorable mention) both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference title in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl.[10] In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.

No, Brady was not the "Anti-Cassel". Brady could have done what you say a competitor would want to do.... you know, quit competing and transfer somewhere easier. You might have noticed that in the very thing you posted:

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At one point, Brady hired a sports psychologist to help him cope with frustration and anxiety and even considered transferring to Cal[7], frustrated by what seemed like a lack of opportunity.

orange 05-27-2009 11:24 AM

Two years on the bench + two years starting after competing and winning the job.

. .vs. .

One year on the bench + three more years on the bench after losing the job.


Yep, Brady was the anti-Cassel.


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