Wouldn't say I'd want him as a HC.
Not exactly thrilled with the Pendergast choice.

Both had better defenses before he arrived. Next.

It's very rare for a team to go to, and win, a SB with a QB that doesn't, at some point in a season, and playoff put his team on his shoulders and carry them.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are the only two that come to mind, and they played on teams with historically great defenses.

I don't see that in Denver.

Well okay then.

Just remember, your wonder boy coach who only knows one thing, QB, wanted Matt Cassel.

He also wanted to keep Cutler after he lost out on Cassel, and only "wanted" Orton after he failed to appease Cutler and get him on board.

So, what you mean to say is he settled for Orton.

Deciding what super models to have a three way with at half time has got to be eating those peeps up.

He did want Cassel because he knows and fits into his system. Cutler didn't. But it's not like he was going to trade Cutler straight up for Cassel. He was going to get Cassel and AT LEAST one first round pick.

Cutler could have still stayed here. Heck when Cutler had a meeting with McDaniels, Cutler got pissed because McDaniels wouldn't tell him that he was off the trading block. Cutler wasn't wanted in Denver from the day McDaniels got the job.

The value he would have gotten in a trade is merely speculation.

He wanted Cassel, was outmanuevered by Pioli, couldn't appease Cutler, and wound up settling for Orton.

It's that simple.

He didn't handpick Orton the way you are trying to paint it.

McDaniels was just late to the negotiations. New England probably could have gotten more from a Denver trade. There were reports that New England would have gotten Tampa's first and second round picks, Denver would have gotten New England's first round pick, another pick, and Matt Cassel, and Tampa would have gotten Cutler.

After Cassel, Orton was the guy he wanted. He could have waited until draft day if he wasn't happy with the Orton deal. More than 10 teams wanted to get Jay Cutler, but he chose Chicago's deal because of Orton.

And you think that Belichick is going to move forward with the Cassel to Chiefs trade if those rumors had any legs?

You honestly believe that he was in such a hurry to get the deal done that he couldn't hold off for a few hours to get more than he got in the deal.

You believe in the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus too?

He was outmanuevered, plain and simple.

And he chose Orton over guys like Cambpell, Sanchez and Stafford only because the price to get those guys would have been too high.

He settled for Orton.

Pathetic, but good for a laugh.

New England had to dump that salary as quick as possible so they could hit free agency. Pioli and Belichick already had a verbal deal and Vrabel was already in KC 3 or 4 days before the trade was announced. Denver was late to the party, and I am glad we were. We got a heck of a lot more out of Chicago than we would have in the 3 team trade.

Donk fans ROFL

Yes, the Pats had to dump salary, and wanted to get it done as quickly as possible, but Belichick isn't going to rush that deal if he really believed that he could get a far better offer in just a few short hours.

Again, if those rumors had any legs, Belichick would have given it 3 or 4 hours to get it done.

Even if true, the fact remains that Pioli outmanuevered McDumbass, and got the deal done, and McDumbass had to settle.

And Vrabel was already in KC 3 or 4 days before the deal?.

First I've heard of that.

are there any guys here who are 6'4"?

Denver officially has the biggest homer fans in the league.
Any fan who can lose a top 5 qb who is just hitting his prime, and replace him with a neckbearded game manger and then try to convince other people that it's an upgrade, wins the crown.

Unfuqinbeleefable