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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6127443)

Good find, and thanks. I didn't think there was anything "extra" put in his contract.

Too bad CP had to hang around for another year, huh?

I wonder how Allen would do as a OLB in a 3-4?

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6127432)

Dorsey was NOT used in college like you are thinking. The WArren Sapp comparisons were baseless. Dorsey had a total of something like 8 career sacks at LSU. He was not an interior pass rusher. He was in fact, a two gap control player.

I wonder if some of you actually watched him in college or just base these things off of "scouting reports" that are complete bunk. Dorsey was never a "3 technique" penetrator type in college. This rumor goes around here for some reason and there is no basis behind it.

He had 13, you dumb mother****er. While playing largely a reserve role for half his college career. That's pretty damned good for an interior lineman.

And, NFL.Com's profile for him as a prospect:

"Compares To: WARREN SAPP-Oakland"

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6127446)

In reality, Allen was traded for the supplemental draft pick we would have received when he left (and he was going to leave--the bridges were burned). I personally look at the trade as Charles, Cottam, and Albert for a supplemental 3rd round pick and a year of Jared Allen's production.

That's worth it, IMO.

I don't know that he would have left. LJ seemed to want out a lot more than Allen. Tony wanted out last year and still had a hell of a season. Brandon Marshall is doing fine in Denver. Boldin is playing well in AZ. Seymour reported to the Raiders. It seems to me that more often than not, these little clashes die down and become forgotten.

I think if Carl would have given JA a long-term deal, he would've gotten over the hard feelings.

In retrospect, its impossible to like the JA trade, IMO.

I wonder what goes through Dorsey and Jackson's heads after a game like last week when both had zero tackles, zero assisted tackles, zero anything. It is just mind-boggling how year after year the Chiefs can fail so miserably at drafting defensive linemen.

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6127585)

Yep. Its like Cleveland picking QBs...

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6127341)

Since we are in the 3-4 now, Allen would be worthless.

But we weren't planning on going 3-4 when we traded him, were we?

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6127585)

Yeah, we've gone through a ton of D linemen. It's hard for me to believe they are all bad. I'd be looking for a D line coach with a rep for developing them.

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6127596)

But we weren't planning on going 3-4 when we traded him, were we?

No. IMO, I think he would be just as good in Hali's position.

It's interesting how a team like the Giants find all these Dlineman, but why do the Chiefs struggle and have such a hard time finding Dlineman?

They're so hard pressed there. Had very little luck.

what are the Giants doing? and what are the Chiefs not doing?

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Originally Posted by rad (Post 6127306)

Allen said he would not sign a contract with a clause like that in it here. He just did not want to play here, period.

would you want to play for Carl and the biggest loser in the NFL?

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6127265)

Clearly I think the Chiefs would be better. Possibly 6-10? 7-9? I still think they would be a losing team because they got holes everywhere on the roster.

But what can they do? both JA and TG wanted to leave and I don't blame them.

JA makes a huge difference. Gives the Chiefs a passrush which we all know they don't have. Passrushers make a world of a differnce he was an impact player and helped the pass defense.

TG gives the QB another receiver threat. Take him away and the passing game has one less threat and becomes less effective. Put him in there he draws double teams that simple. He opens up the passing game.

What makes me question is how would the Chiefs be if they kept JA, and actually stuck with the 4-3? How would they be if kept JA drafted Dorsey and used him the way he was used in college?

How would they be if the used Herb Taylor at LT, whom in my opinion showed something. Stuck with him, coached him and developed him. i just say this because had they not traded JA they would not have drafted Albert. So someone would have to play LT and my guess would be Taylor. I think if all this were to happen, they would have less positions to address.

The only reason both of these guys wanted to leave was because our cocky front office treated them like shit.

The TG thing I'm not too upset about. To this day, I think Peterson should have been fired the day after the trade to the Vikings. The ONLY reason Allen was upset in KC was because Carl Peterson put on the douchiest negotiation of all time. He lowballed Allen. Refused to return his agent's calls. Then aired out dirty laundry to the media by calling Allen an "at risk" player.

The hilarious thing is that the Vikings gave Allen a contract with heavy "behavior" provisions. While there was no actual clause, it was a contract where Allen stands to lose a lot if he gets tagged. That clearly shows that the only reason Allen isn't a Chief today is because our douche bag owner was too arrogant to give him the deal he deserved.

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 6127585)

What goes through their head is: "we're young, and we deserve time to make mistakes." Followed by: "in a 3-4, we don't have to make tackles to make plays."

Relax. This is a difficult position to learn and rarely do drafted players learn it this quickly. And their job isn't to make tackles as much as it is to open up opportunities for the back 7 to make tackles. They're more space-eaters than they are players who make a lot of big plays.

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Originally Posted by harpes (Post 6127231)

Just wondering where the rest of the planet is standing on the grade we can give for the Allen and TG trade now that it has been a little while. I know Allens numbers have been down a little but it still looks like he is making the big plays and TG is still the best. So how do you grade the trades now and would we be much better if it never happened.

Was Jamaal Charles part of that trade? If our LT works out, it might be ok. Hopefully we will get a solid pick for the TG trade.

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That clearly shows that the only reason Allen isn't a Chief today is because our douche bag OWNER was too arrogant to give him the deal he deserved.

That's something I felt long ago which has recently become more and more blatantly apparent. I now find it impossible to really give 2 shits about this team. The owners main priority isn't winning - he tries to do just enough to give that illusion but it's so easy to see thru and I won't support a team whose main objective is manipulation.

Allen trade = F, because at this point and time we did not get any pro bowl difference makers in a game back, and we can't sack the QB.

Gonzo trade is all dependent on what we turn that 2nd rounder into...