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BigMeatballDave 11-08-2009 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6242543)
Honestly, I'm not a fan of Haley's coaching style either. I don't see why you need to be that profane all the time and alienate players. Someone like Pollard who sucked and needed to go - who cares. But I don't see anyone other than perhaps Dorsey who's responded to it.

Obviously things are not changing by virtue of this style alone. But I am a big believer in the idea that the culture of a workplace is contagious and it's a big factor in performance. If someone isn't on board they should be cut. I don't think you need this bawling-out culture all the time.

They need a culture where success is not only rewarded but expected, for sure. But if the culture is extremely negative most people will not respond to it.
Yelling is just talking loud. Who gives a shit? Maybe Dorsey responded because he is actually talented. This is what Haley/Pioli seem to be trying to do this season; Purging shitty players.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2009 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6242566)
Purging shitty players.
Why are they worrying about the piece of two-play with a fart's worth of crap on it when there is a bowl full of foot long logs and cream backing up the only shitter in the house.

OnTheWarpath15 11-08-2009 10:54 AM
There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect.

This isn't ****ing high school.

Brian Billick mother****ed his players as much as any coach around, but his players still respected him.

jspchief 11-08-2009 10:54 AM
Pollard, meh.

However, I do think Haley's "coaching style" has big potential for failure.

Remember, the Giants were ready to quit on Coughlin too, except he started getting results. Haley doesn't have the resume that Coughlin had. If players don't start seeing the upside of putting up with an asshole coach, then they will just start tuning him out.

Say what you want about Pollard's achievements, but Haley hasn't done much to impress yet either. I'm guessing if Pollard had been surrounded by the same talent Haley was surrounded by, he would have looked better too.

OnTheWarpath15 11-08-2009 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 6242588)
Pollard, meh.

However, I do think Haley's "coaching style" has big potential for failure.

Remember, the Giants were ready to quit on Coughlin too, except he started getting results. Haley doesn't have the resume that Coughlin had. If players don't start seeing the upside of putting up with an asshole coach, then they will just start tuning him out.

Say what you want about Pollard's achievements, but Haley hasn't done much to impress yet either. I'm guessing if Pollard had been surrounded by the same talent Haley was surrounded by, he would have looked better too.
Good post, jsp.

Queue the "then **** the players that don't want to play for an asshole" posts.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2009 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6242582)

mother****ed.
The greatest verb ever.

OnTheWarpath15 11-08-2009 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6242593)
The greatest verb ever.
Two of my favorite words from Next Man Up.

Mother****ed.

Slapdick.

BigMeatballDave 11-08-2009 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6242582)
There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect.

This isn't ****ing high school.

Brian Billick mother****ed his players as much as any coach around, but his players still respected him.
Who says most of the players there now do not respect Haley?

stevieray 11-08-2009 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6242582)
There's a difference between yelling/chewing someone out and treating grown men like grown men, with respect.
Why do DS's yell at recruits in bootcamp?

OnTheWarpath15 11-08-2009 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6242606)
Who says most of the players there now do not respect Haley?
I'm not saying they do, or they don't.

Like jsp, I'm saying that Haley's approach has a huge potential for failure.

jspchief 11-08-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 6242606)
Who says most of the players there now do not respect Haley?
I don't think we know yet. Just saying that's he's playing a dangerous game with big egos.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6242616)
Why do DS's yell at recruits in bootcamp?
Most of the recruits aren't anywhere near men? The vast majority are 18-20 years old and have almost nothing to their name.

OnTheWarpath15 11-08-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6242616)
Why do DS's yell at recruits in bootcamp?
Steve, if you think you're going to program/brainwash a professional athlete...

stevieray 11-08-2009 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6242627)
Steve, if you think you're going to program/brainwash a professional athlete...
it's not brainwashing..it's about maintaining composure under stressful situations.

I find it highly amusing that people are claiming a coach should treat a team with respect that's won three games out of?

..treat em with respect!..because that is exactly what every detractor has doen since Haley got here..treated the players and coaches like grown men...with respect.

:rolleyes:

BigMeatballDave 11-08-2009 11:11 AM
How can yelling at players be potential for failure? I'd say picking lousy players is more of a potiental for failure. These guys are paid a lot of money doing exactly what they love to do. They dont work in a ****ing cubicle. Were bitching about yelling and sings. WTF? I'll judge Haley's performance by the players he choses to play for him(I am not happy with him starting Goff still), not by yelling. Do your ****ing job and you wont get yelled at.


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