When they moved up. No one knew if the guys that left would be good hc's, But this is different because you are asking weiss and crennel to do things they have been successful doing instead of wondering if they can take the "next" step.They are proven at what they do we aren't asking them to do more than what they already shown that they are capable of.

you're a full blown rah-tard. How in the **** do you equate trading for cassell the safe qb. Peterson traded for a 1/8 left in the tank montana. Pioli traded for a familiar player that he saw potential in and not 2 years from retirement.



I also find it quite humorous that you use the basis of a HOF player vs. a rookie playing 2 different positions as the corner stone of your comparison.

Dum, dum, dum.

3rd pick of the draft vs 3rd pick of the draft simple as that. One guy got an impact player in the top 3, the other didn't.

Sadly 1/8th Montana was better than what we got now.

I don't really have any issues with Charlie Weis, I think Crennel is alright but I don't trust hiring defensive coaches that made their rep off working under Belichick. The major problem comes that I don't think anything can save Matt Cassel, I think Haley until he shows me otherwise is in over his head as a head coach and to this point Pioli's roster moves are uninspiring at best.

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I dunno....the jury is still out on that one.

I really don't think this is a rah-rah let's relive the 2nd half of 97 season like Gunther was. I'm more confident in Weis and Crennel than that, but we still need talent.

I don't know where the argument went off the rails about recreating history, but there have been tons of coordinators who've had success in different places . Dick LeBeau's defense in Pittsburgh is outstanding. Wade Phillips had solid defenses in 3 or 4 different places. Norv Turner and Mike Martz did a great job when they could focus on being an OC/QB coach. Cam Cameron's had plenty of offensive success. Greg Williams has built one good defense after another. Plenty of examples of guys building a competitive unit in 3 or 4 different places.

I'm more concerned about the front office finding talent than the coordinators doing something with it. But it wouldn't be the first time the Chiefs hired a coach that had some success everywhere but KC. That's been pretty much the last 10 years.

All I'm saying is I think Weis will do fine and I think Crennel won't live up to expectations.

I'm not saying they are bad hires, I'm saying I don't think you can find any history that would support hiring a GM and 2 coordinators all from the same team because they won something. Not saying it won't but that's where it stands today.

But I do trust Weis more than Crennel. Who knows if this is how it'll go down... but when he was in NE it was Brady and a no-name group of WR's spreading it out and working the intermediate passing game. I think that'd be great for Cassel.

And you said what I said...odd how that works eh?

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I really don't understand what you want. Is there any pick the Chiefs have made as far as personnel that made you go, "HELL YEAH!!!"?

Yeah, but I think that's tough because we've never seen anything quite like this. I can't think of another time where two coordinators have been reunited 5 years later like this. Even for the Parcells guys, this is pretty unique.

Nope. Chiefs could go 19-0 and set loads of records and he would still find something to bitch about. Instead of taking a wait and see approach he assumes he knows everything and could do it better than the men who do this for a living.

Here's a question which should maybe shed some insight into this. If New England were looking for another OC or DC, do you think they would look at Weis or Crennel? If so, what differences are there to make one team value them as an OC and DC and not another?

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here is what I don't get-

we bring in SP - we bring in MC - we bring in MV - we bring in ZT.

and people are in shock - negative or positive - that we are getting patisfied

What the hell ELSE did you think was going to happen?!? - whatever it is - you had to have been kidding yourself.

FTR: you may put me in the camp that the entire organisation has a free pass from me until proven otherwise - and only 1 or 2 years removed from king carl is just not enough time to accurately measure success or failure