Well, we've seen copper the last two years and he is a complete waste of a roster spot on offense. His special teams play does NOT warrant keeping him. Give Horne tha chance to be that diamond in the rough we've never been able to find.

Just think, Horne sprints down the left side, Chambers down the right side Bowe and McCluster crossing over the middle. I'll bet Castille would gain 5 yards in that scenerio.

It seems that we've been clammoring for a WR to come out of nowhere since we let Joe Horn walk. Horne might be the guy, he might not. But if it comes down to him and Copper, we KNOW Copper isnt that diamond.

I don't understand the obsession with Horne. He isn't taking Copper's spot. It isn't happening. get over it already.

Watch the special teams play in the Buccs game and Copper will show you why.

I don't think it was while he was running with the 1st Team, which is what Red Beans was referring to.

Exactly. Even if Horne moved up to 2 or 3 on the depth chart, I doubt his presence on the team would be worth it over what Copper can do for us.

That's the truth, folks. It's not sexy, it's not hopeful, and it doesn't give the Chiefs a shot at another bigtime receiver. But it makes the team better.

What exactly does Copper do for us SNR? Horne got open and at least caught a TD...he is making himself known out there. Copper gives us what?

I'm concerned about depth at QB, TE, C, CB

QB -Cassell, Croyle (2)
HB - Charles, Jones, Battle, Moore (4)
FB - Castille, Cox (2)
WR - Bowe, Chambers, McCluster, Copper, Horne (5)
TE - Pope, Moeaki, O'Connell (3)
LT - Albert, Richardson (2)
LG - Waters, Asamoah, Harris (3)
C - Weigmann (1)
RG - Lilja (1)
RT - O'Callaghan, Brown (2)

Offense = 25

DE - Dorsey, Jackson, Gilberry, Smith (4)
DT - Edwards, Lokey (2)
OLB - Hali, Vrabel, Studebaker, Sheffield, Walters (5)
ILB - Belcher, Williams, Johnson, Mays (4)
CD - Flowers, Carr, Arenas, Leggett, Richardson (5)
FS - Lewis, McGraw (2)
SS - Berry, Langford (2)

Defense = 24

Special Teams = 3

He's an ace on special teams. Has been consistently for the entire time he's been with the team.

Also, Copper caught a REGULAR SEASON TD last season. It's not like Horne's one single preseason TD was an impressive route or anything.

Not dogging on Horne. Just saying, quit thinking Copper is dogshit compared to a ****ing UDFA rookie whose only accomplishment in the preseason has been a 6 yard TD.

Also, tell me all about Urban's value to the team. What has he done according to your system for assessing value for players?

You think they will cut Niswanger?

The reason Copper caught that pass was because no one was covering him. And why would they? Copper got ignored because he was never running plays with the O. Put Copper out there full time and he's dog shit. Horne, who knows? I'll take uncertainty over dog shit any day.

What does he do for us?

Remember that kick off return that Arenas had in the buccs game?

Go back and look at who had the key block that sprung him loose.

Watch how many times Copper is one of the first players, if not the first player to get his ass downfield to make a tackle on kick off coverage.

As far as Horne goes, he had a 6 yard TD grab. Big deal. There was nothing special there that makes you say, "oh damn, that guy is a gamer".

He was simply in the right place at the right time. Verron Tucker coulda made that play. Even on the deep pass that was overthrown to him in the falcons game, Horne failed to extend himself to make the play. He short armed it. That could've been caught IMO had he extended himself. The guy's body was damn near perfectly vertical when he attempted to make the catch.

It's probably been said already, but Horne does a good job, letting him walk would be a travesty.

So you wanna discount Copper's KEY special teams play for a WR that has shown nothing? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Horne will make PS. No doubt. Maybe he can make the team next year, who knows. Right now, i'd rather a special teams Ace rather than some scrub developmental player that wouldn't see the field behind Chambers, Bowe, McCluster & Urban.

4 RBs?

RightTttttttttttttttt.

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