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DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 10:36 AM

While I can't say I'd have been unhappy if the Chiefs had gone purely defense with 2a and 2b (say, Washington & Lindval Joseph), it's way too early to begin predicting that McCluster and Arenas won't be very productive players for the Chiefs.

Very few rookie cornerbacks make an impact on defense and I expect that Arenas will be no exception. But his abilities in the return game should balance his learning curve as a cornerback. And don't forget, he has one of the best ever as a coach in Emmitt Thomas, so I fully expect him to make a huge defensive leap from year one to year two.

RedThat 09-03-2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6974217)
This team is ****ed if we're reaching in the 2nd round for ST players....just because our ST sucks.

And I'm not downplaying what Arenas can do when it comes to STs.....but for a 2nd round pick.....he either should be pushing for the #2 CB job....or he should be the one of the best nicklebacks in the league.

I don't think Arenas was a reach.

I don't think he would've lasted past the 2nd round thats how good of a player I think he is. Same can be said for McCluster. Bottomline, you're not going to get talented players like that in later rounds. No way. Not this day and age.

Those picks are solid and great value. That is how you got to look at it.
Sure we could of improved at other positions, but at least we've improved in areas of our team we needed to. The Chiefs went by what was best available that they felt could help their team. And they went by what they felt the market offered them best at the time, that is, Arenas and McCluster.

I think those picks come down to BPA and position of need. They capitalized there. Have to hand it to them.

DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6974242)
Does anybody actually care that the Chiefs just completed another losing preseason? Should anybody? I know I don't. What's the point in making judgments now? This is the kind of discussion that needs to come at about week 8.

It isn't the fact that they completed another losing preseason. It's the fact that they looked, for the most part, completely inept on offense and IMO, the defense rarely looked good going against the opposition's number ones.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2010 10:38 AM

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bobbything 09-03-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6974242)
Does anybody actually care that the Chiefs just completed another losing preseason? Should anybody? I know I don't. What's the point in making judgments now? This is the kind of discussion that needs to come at about week 8.

Yup. This article seems to be 8 weeks premature.

I'm just not going to pile on the McCluster/Arenas picks until I've seen them in real games, and exactly what the coaching staff plans on doing with them. Has McCluster had a "huge" impact in the preseason? Probably not. Has he had a "positive" impact? Absolutely. Wherever they use him, teams will have to account for it. Is he the home run we need? Who knows, it's fucking preseason.

Has Arenas had a "huge" impact in special teams in the preseason? I'd say absolutely yes. On defense? Absolutely not. But, you know what? We have a pretty good secondary as it stands. Again, I think the Chiefs use that to their advantage to develop him into a good corner, rather than shoving him into it all at once. Is he the home run we need at special teams and at corner? Who knows, it's fucking preseason.

All I know is that they appear to make this team better. Will that translate to the regular season? Who knows, it's fucking preseason.

Titty Meat 09-03-2010 10:39 AM

There is no heat on Pioli.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-03-2010 10:42 AM

Arenas is going to be a dynamic return man, there's no doubt, but the shelf life of returners is way too short to be spending second round picks on them. He needs to be able to contribute on D.

DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6974258)
I don't think Arenas was a reach.

I don't think he would've lasted past the 2nd round thats how good of a player I think he is. Same can be said for McCluster. Bottomline, you're not going to get talented players like that in later rounds. No way. Not this day and age.

Nonsense.

Sproles was a 4th rounder. Breaston was a 5th rounder. Perrish Cox was a 5th rounder.

Need I go on?

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6974258)
Those picks are solid and great value. That is how you got to look at it.

No, I don't "got" to look at like that, at all. While the Chiefs were and are in dire need of playmakers, I don't think the team would be worse if they had taken Lindval Joseph and Daryl Washington instead of Arenas and McCluster.

When the Chiefs are routinely gashed for 200 yards on the ground in 2010 and they only win 5 games tops, maybe THEN you'll understand.

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6974258)
Sure we could of improved at other positions, but at least we've improved in areas of our team we needed to. The Chiefs went by what was best available that they felt could help their team. And they went by what they felt the market offered them best at the time, that is, Arenas and McCluster.

I think those picks come down to BPA and position of need. They capitalized there. Have to hand it to them.

Best Available is a matter of opinion and in my opinion, these guys were NOT the best available. The Chiefs have needs all over the roster and would have benefited more from guys that play every snap, not guys that are role players.

DaneMcCloud 09-03-2010 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything (Post 6974263)
All I know is that they appear to make this team better. Will that translate to the regular season? Who knows, it's fucking preseason.

Look around the league.

How many teams that are projected to be division winners and playoff contenders looked like dogshit on both sides of the ball?

This whole "it's preseason" is a bullshit excuse. These guys have had OTA's, mini-camps and training camp and STILL look like ****ing dogshit.

Preseason shouldn't be an excuse to suck.

Reaper16 09-03-2010 10:45 AM

Good work, Clay (Apart from some little grammatical things that an editor should have caught).

beer bacon 09-03-2010 10:47 AM

McCluster couldn't handle being a full time WR than RB in the SEC. There is no way he can do it in the NFL. Right guys?

Titty Meat 09-03-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6974282)
Look around the league.

How many teams that are projected to be division winners and playoff contenders looked like dogshit on both sides of the ball?

This whole "it's preseason" is a bullshit excuse. These guys have had OTA's, mini-camps and training camp and STILL look like ****ing dogshit.

Preseason shouldn't be an excuse to suck.

Oh Dane. I remember the 2003 offense looking like shit in pre-season might have scored 1 TD? Preseason is meaningless my friend.

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-03-2010 10:49 AM

Our running game in the 2nd half of ball games is going to dominate when defenses are tired. Hopefully we're not so far behind that we have to rely on Cassel.

L.A. Chieffan 09-03-2010 10:49 AM

Its been so long since the Chiefs have taken any impact player in ANY round it just makes me happy to see it actually happen.

Like a man dying of thirst in the desert, the first water I see might be filled with west nile virus but to me its a goddamn oasis. :D

Deberg_1990 09-03-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6974265)
There is no heat on Pioli.

I agree. Pioli will be here for a decade most likely. Heat is most definately on Haley.


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