We did give up a draft pick to get Herm.

Other than that, it's a no-brainer. McDaniels has decimated the Broncos. The Chiefs are on the cusp.

And your football acumen needs vast improvement. If Moreno was "all that" he would have at least 3TDs last game but he didn't because he doesn't have breakaway take it to the house speed that Josh "thought" he had because he was a 1st rnd pick taken at 12.:rolleyes:

All Moreno exposed in the Chiefs was that the Chiefs D-line is mediocre at best. Crennel knew Moreno couldn't take it to the house so he let Moreno have his yards between the 20's and dropped 7 instead playing the pass and didn't stack the box until the Broncs were in the redzone.

Crennel was genius.

Herm could become the George W. Bush of the Chiefs. Hated while in power, adored out of power.

To me, it's obvious.

Herm is a good scout, just a terrible head coach.

Win/Win.

To this day I'll argue he knows talent and how to scout "talent."

He had his scouts go after players instead of numbers and combine work-outs and 40 times.

That part of his evaluation process is similar to what we have now only we've added the character/versatility component.

Now we'll tell you on draft day that you better be able and prepared to play more than one position. You better be able to answer the call if a starter goes down and you have to shift over to some position you haven't played in a while.

Or we might just need you to play it for 2 snaps.

But you aren't a CB/QB/HB/WR here, you're a PLAYER...

I refuse to admit to my dying day that there exists any coach that is worse than Herman ****ing Edwards. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

You're dumb.

Don't care.

Jerry Glanville.

You just won, convincingly, an argument vs. Dave Lane...

That's just plain stupid.

Herm Edwards is an average head coach. No more, no less. He has a shitload more playoff appearances than probably half the head coaches in NFL history. And while he inherited a lot of the talent he took to the playoffs, it's not like he inherited a Steelers-like team.

He's an average coach who can get you 10 wins and knocked out of the playoffs. The claim people make that he's a horrible coach is just laughable.

I'd take Glanville personally because there's no way I could suffer through Herm again

Couldn't agree more:thumb:

But Herm wasn't really in control anyhow and we all know that Peterson hired Herm because Herm was a "yes man" as Gunther was and Vermeil was Peterson's closest friend who Peterson respected with a track record and allowed to call the shots but Vermeil's mistake was not building the D otherwise we would have been SB champs potentially in 03,04,05.

Peterson didn't realize how insignificant Marty would make him become when he hired Shotty because Shotty called all the shots "player personnel" wise. As long as the Chiefs were winning Peterson would always play 2nd fiddle. It wasn't until Marty's girl friend fiasco and losing at home did him in with Peterson's cloak and dagger firing. Now Peterson finally had control and Carl from that point on would never hire anyone but a "yes man" type of personality IMHO.

3. Absolutely most importantly, he went over Carl's head and bitched to Clark Hunt that Carl Peterson was holding on to veterans too long.

If Herm hadn't done that, if history is any indication, Carl Peterson instead of rebuilding would have brought in 5 Shawn Barber type players and reloaded this team to an average playoff team.

He's a solid pick and a productive starter.

It's just occured to me that I have absolutely no desire to argue the depth of suck from previous years.

I'm kinda' happy right now with where we are, since it's year 2, and we're about to stomp a division rival while winning the division and securing a playoff spot.

So, this argument, you win...