This mantra that he has to be a "franchise QB" in order to be successful here is a steaming pile of shit that people keep heaping on in order to continue to try to be "right" about him.

He's never going to be the level of Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Ben. What he is going to be is someone that we can win games with and will be an asset to this offense.

He needs to win an NFL game while transcribing TommyKat posts on Chiefs Planet so normal people can understand them.

I really hate the term "franchise QB". There are about 7 of them across the NFL. That's 1 for every 4 teams in the league.

24 Passing TD's, 5 INT's this season.
If you don't like the guy...say that. Make sure everyone knows it's personal and has nothing to do with the way he performs on the field. To keep pretending he hasn't done enough for you to be content is bullshit.

Baby Lee, continuing to set standards on interneting.

Because of the overwhelming need for a lot on here to try to be "right".

Agree with your response. Cassel has earned my respect with the way he gutted it out today

Or miserable.

Depends your definition of a franchise QB.

My definition is someone you can win a SB with. There are several of those guys in the league, including guys like Rodgers, Ryan, etc.

I want a QB at that level, at the least. Doesn't have to be Elway or Manning.

I'll be honest, the thing that helped me get behind him.

He grew facial hair.

And if he doesn't this year, we will get numerous posts from you about how you were right and how he sucks.

The fact this team is even looking at the playoffs in year 2 of a massive rebuild is impressive as hell.

Hilarious for two reasons.
1. He's outplayed BOTH of them this season.
2. Neither of them have ever won a Superbowl.

2,700 passing yards, 24 TDs, and 5 INTs. He has played well this season, and it is silly to think otherwise. Also, today he had would have four or five more completions and a bunch more yards if our receivers didn't have the dropsies. He played very well. He showed good touch and accuracy, and he also showed good poise in the pocket and scrambling ability. Just admit he did a fine job.

Then your definition of a franchise QB extends to about half of the QBs in the NFL.

So, Eli Manning is a franchise QB?

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were?

The same thing it will take for the entire team to convince me they've really turned around: meaningful games against good competition.

It's not his/their fault they've played the schedule that they have - they don't have any control over who lines up against them - but the fact remains that I have to see them do it against quality teams before I'm really convinced. I'm just not going to be sold before that point.

Maybe we'll see that in January. Maybe we'll see it in 2011. We're not going to see it in December. And that's not his fault or the team's fault, obviously.