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DeezNutz 01-14-2011 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7355718)
I started this because I wanted to remove any possibility that I might start the 2012 thread, and thus avoid the blame if the prospects all suck, DM gets fired, we lose 100 games in 2012, and the franchise gets moved to Oregon.

Sweet. As Dayton Moore's biggest fan, I call 2012 responsibilities.

jbwm89 01-15-2011 09:46 AM

The Francis signing is good news. It probably won'thave much effect on 2012 but this years
Rotation looks scary bad

Bowser 01-15-2011 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7355718)
I started this because I wanted to remove any possibility that I might start the 2012 thread, and thus avoid the blame if the prospects all suck, DM gets fired, we lose 100 games in 2012, and the franchise gets moved to Oregon.

Like I need THAT kind of pressure. Thanks, ass.


Thanks for starting this. I was contemplating doing this thread, with Deez encouraging it, but had to bail.

KChiefs1 01-15-2011 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanm (Post 7355738)
I saw where they signed Jeff Francis as well. If he's past his arm troubles of the past year and a half he's a damn good pickup.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...-dayton-moore/

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The Post Where I Praise Dayton Moore

by Dave Cameron - January 14, 2011

And the winner of the award for Best Free Agent Signing Of The Winter goes to… Dayton Moore? Wait, seriously? Who counted these votes?

January 14th, 2011 – the day that up became down, right became left, and FanGraphs writes that Moore got the best deal of the winter in free agency. But, here we are – the Royals just signed Jeff Francis to a one year contract for 2011 that will pay him just $2 million, and if he stays healthy and pitches well, could earn him up to a whopping $4 million. To put it in other terms, he just signed for the same amount of guaranteed money as Melvin Mora, and if he hits enough incentives, he might end up making as much as Bill Hall. This is, quite simply, a steal for Kansas City.

Francis happens to be the somewhat unlucky owner of three things that significantly drove down his market value – a fastball that isn’t as good as it was when he was a first round pick in 2002, a medical report card that includes the words “shoulder surgery”, and an ERA over 5.00 in each of the last two seasons he has pitched. The combination of question marks about his health, stuff, and performance served to drive his price down this winter to a point that I would argue goes beyond reason. Let’s tackle these three issues one by one.

1. Missing Velocity?

For whatever reason, it has become popular to talk about Francis as a guy who has lost significant velocity. I’ve had conversations with team officials where they mentioned the deterioration of his stuff, and around the game, he’s viewed as a guy who simply doesn’t throw as hard as he used to. To some extent, this is true, as he did used to throw harder than he does now – back in 2005.

He broke into the league with a fastball that averaged 88.5 MPH, but it quickly fell off, and he’s been sitting in the 86 MPH range for the last five years. In fact, the 87.2 MPH average fastball velocity he showed last year was the highest he’s had since his second year with the Rockies. While he’s not going to blow anyone away with his heater, the idea that his arm problems have led to a significant drop-off in stuff isn’t supported by the evidence.

2. Injury Risk?

Due to arm surgery that sidelined him for all of 2009 and half of 2010, Francis is seen as something of a health risk. Given that he has only thrown 250 innings over the last three years, that’s understandable to a point, but medical procedures for pitchers have advanced significantly over the last ten years, and simply are not the death knell they once were.

Does anyone care that Tim Hudson had surgery and missed almost all of the 2009 season? What about Josh Johnson? Chris Carpenter? C.J. Wilson? A.J. Burnett? These guys are often considered to be workhorses now, but each have major arm problems in their medical file. From 2005 to 2007, Francis threw 598 innings, and established himself as a reliable every-fifth-day guy. He doesn’t have a long history of arm problems. His shoulder hurt, he had surgery, and he got it fixed. He doesn’t have leprosy. In a winter where Carl Pavano and Rafael Soriano are landing multi-year deals, the injury concerns for Francis seem to be somewhat overblown.

3. Bad Pitcher?

Finally, the ERA. I won’t spend too much time on this, because you can probably guess where this is going, but Francis’ combined 2008 and 2010 performance give him a 5.01 ERA, but only a 4.29 xFIP. The difference is, as always, BABIP and HR/FB rate. Francis allowed a .315 BABIP in 2008 and a .322 mark last year, which earned him the hittable label and prevented him from stranding runners, driving up his runs allowed total. You know what team has the lowest UZR in baseball over the last three years? The Colorado Rockies, with a -109.1 total (Brad Hawpe accounts for a whopping -59 runs of that total by himself).

Now, there’s some evidence to suggest that Coors Field might inflate BABIP, and part of the Rockies atrocious defensive ratings could be due to a park factor, but even if that is true, that is also something that is still out of Francis’ control and won’t be following him to Kansas City. Likewise, we shouldn’t overly surprised that a pitcher who has to spend half his time pitching at altitude had a higher than average HR/FB ratio. Let’s not get so caught up in the humidor that we stop giving Colorado pitchers any benefit for having to overcome a challenging home environment.

I’m not saying Francis is the best pitcher in baseball, but he has a pretty specific set of demonstrated skills that have been proven to work in the big leagues. He’s a lefty who pounds the strike zone, gets a decent amount of grounders, and misses enough bats to get a strikeout when he really needs it. His change-up is a legitimate weapon, so he doesn’t have much of a platoon split. His career numbers are pretty solid, especially for a guy who has spent his whole career in Colorado.

In a market where mediocre relievers are commanding decent money, there’s no reason why a talented 30-year-old lefty with decent ability and a pretty decent 2010 pitching line should have been ignored the way Francis was. He got caught in the perfect storm of velocity bias, ERA bias, and fear of injured pitchers, but kudos to Dayton Moore for overlooking these superficial problems and finding a pretty solid pitcher for bench player money.



FringeNC 01-15-2011 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7356603)

Nice write-up. A DM move that is (not surprisingly) lauded by Saber crowd. That Francis signed such a nice contract suggests that there is still some mis-pricing going on in MLB.

KChiefs1 01-15-2011 01:25 PM

http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/1/1...rancis-signing

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Royals Stabilize 2011 Starting Rotation With Jeff Francis Signing

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/profile_ima...G0036_tiny.JPG by Will McDonald

For months now it has been apparent that the Royals were going to have to sign someone to complete the 2011 starting rotation. For next season, the only starters in place were Luke Hochevar, Vin Mazzaro, Sean O`Sullivan and Kyle Davies. With Jeff Francis on the roster, the Royals get some insurance against the inevitable injury to one of those guys, as well as the ability to delay the appearance of one of their minor league arms.

Multiple sources have reported that Francis has been signed to one year/$2 million dollar contract, along with the inevitable Dayton Moore incentives clauses.

Reportedly, those incentives (which per MLB rules can only be tied to playing time or major awards) could add another $2 million dollars to Francis's salary. From a pure value standpoint, that's actually fairly significant, as it severely reduces the chances that Francis is a true bargain. Then again, if Francis is healthy enough to reach those incentives and presumably pitching well, he'll also likely be traded. So perhaps this point has just been overstated.

To be honest, Francis's numbers are better than I expected. In my mind, he's always been the prototypical underwhelming NL "Ace" pitcher with a whimpy repertoire.

That's undoubtedly a product of that Red Sox-Rockies World Series, which took place at the height of the disparity between the two leagues. In any case, the most relevant numbers for Francis come from last season, given that he missed all of 2009 due to a major injury. According to Fangraphs WAR, he was worth nearly two wins above replacement in 2010 (1.9 WAR). Here are the traditional stats:

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Generated 1/14/2011.

According to Baseball-Reference's less-FIP influenced WAR, Francis was merely a one win pitcher. Each system has its merits, but I prefer the Fangraphs model when it comes to predicting future performance.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog...e.v5e9d7f1.jpg

I'm not particularly bullish about Francis's prospects in the AL, but the fact is, he's not being brought to KC to beat the Red Sox in Game One of the 2011 World Series. He's here to kill time basically, to make the grand time-filler of the 2011 season slightly more palatable. In the past, I've found these types of signings to be extremely annoying (Scott Elarton, Joe Mays, Brett Tomko, etc) yet this time it feels different. At least, in 2011, there's presumably something worth waiting for.

Strangely too, the current crop of Royals minor league pitchers are actually worth some extra seasoning. As weird as it sounds, if they were worse, I'd want to see them pitch for the 2011 more.

So welcome, Jeff Francis! May your two to five months pitching for the Royals be the highlight of your career!

KChiefs1 01-15-2011 01:35 PM

I'll throw something out there for the Royals experts:

Any chance the Royals sign a setup guy for their bullpen from free agency?

Grant Balfour & Brian Fuentes haven't signed anywhere yet.

Thoughts?

Rams Fan 01-15-2011 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 7356665)
I'll throw something out there for the Royals experts:

Any chance the Royals sign a setup guy for their bullpen from free agency?

Grant Balfour & Brian Fuentes haven't signed anywhere yet.

Thoughts?

Balfour just signed with the Athletics.

alnorth 01-15-2011 01:42 PM

Its possible, DM said he wanted to sign a couple pitchers and he's got one so far.

We aren't getting Balfour, he just signed with the A's today (2 years at about 4M per, plus 3.5M option for 3rd year)

Brian Fuentes would be rather expensive. I'm not a big fan of this new trend of paying 50-60 inning setup men almost 10 million per year.

Rams Fan 01-15-2011 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7356689)
Its possible, DM said he wanted to sign a couple pitchers and he's got one so far.

We aren't getting Balfour, he just signed with the A's today (2 years at about 4M per, plus 3.5M option for 3rd year)

Brian Fuentes would be rather expensive. I'm not a big fan of this new trend of paying 50-60 inning setup men almost 10 million per year.

It seems like Fuentes is also about to sign with the A's.

WilliamTheIrish 01-15-2011 01:44 PM

Good thread. Time to let the 2010 thread float to the bottom. Fortunately we have enough KSU anchor fans to drag it under.

KChiefs1 01-15-2011 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7356689)
Its possible, DM said he wanted to sign a couple pitchers and he's got one so far.

We aren't getting Balfour, he just signed with the A's today (2 years at about 4M per, plus 3.5M option for 3rd year)

Brian Fuentes would be rather expensive. I'm not a big fan of this new trend of paying 50-60 inning setup men almost 10 million per year.

Dave Bush, Doug Davis, Kevin Millwood, Jeremy Bonderman or Bruce Chen?

Infidel Goat 01-15-2011 02:54 PM

Sign Chen and be finished with it.

Bowser 01-15-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 7356695)
Good thread. Time to let the 2010 thread float to the bottom. Fortunately we have enough KSU anchor fans to drag it under.

Meet the New Royals, same as the Old Royals! Except with less Grienke.....

alnorth 01-15-2011 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 7356892)
Sign Chen and be finished with it.

Done, Royals signed Bruce Chen today. 1 year, $2MM plus a possible $1.5MM in incentives.

Thats one thing different about Dayton Moore, most incentive clauses are little trivial throw-ins, but DM loves those huge incentives.


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