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Hammock Parties 03-03-2011 11:46 AM
Go back and watch the Ravens game...the only guy getting pressure on Flacco was Hali...he had ALL DAY to throw most of the time.

That's why he was able to sit there and look down the field and when no one was open, dump it off comfortably with absolutely no one in his face.

Coogs 03-03-2011 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ClayWhit (Post 7464445)
Go back and watch the Ravens game...the only guy getting pressure on Flacco was Hali...he had ALL DAY to throw most of the time.

That's why he was able to sit there and look down the field and when no one was open, dump it off comfortably with absolutely no one in his face.
Saw the game. Agree with you totally. NT goes further to fix the problem than 1 OLB.

JMO

Dante84 03-03-2011 11:58 AM
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Chiefnj2 03-03-2011 12:01 PM
You'd think that if Jarrett Johnson can cover Moeaki 1on1 all game long and not let him see any daylight, that in time Houston would be able to do the same.

Coogs 03-03-2011 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7464480)
You'd think that if Jarrett Johnson can cover Moeaki 1on1 all game long and not let him see any daylight, that in time Houston would be able to do the same.
I'm taking Sac's side here. Cassel didn't have much time. Which he didn't.

And from ClayWhit. Flacco had all day. Which he did.

OLB would be nice. NT would be better for overall defense improvement.

Chiefnj2 03-03-2011 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7464486)
I'm taking Sac's side here. Cassel didn't have much time. Which he didn't.

And from ClayWhit. Flacco had all day. Which he did.

OLB would be nice. NT would be better for overall defense improvement.
Your going to go for the guy that was viewed as a 3rd rounder who shot up the board's because of Senior Bowl week?

Saccopoo 03-03-2011 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 7464486)
I'm taking Sac's side here. Cassel didn't have much time. Which he didn't.

And from ClayWhit. Flacco had all day. Which he did.

OLB would be nice. NT would be better for overall defense improvement.
Trenches boys, trenches.

How do you think that the Jets get deep into the playoffs with one of the worst quarterbacks (statistically) in the NFL for the past two seasons? They drive people up and down the field with their trench players.

Time of possession. Ball control.

Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league.

You also have to remember that the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacks this past season. That's not too shabby. We are pressuring the opposing quarterback. However, we aren't plugging the run or protecting our own QB.

Trenches. Start digging.

http://cbms0hums.pbworks.com/f/Allie...20trenches.jpg

Coogs 03-03-2011 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7464631)
Your going to go for the guy that was viewed as a 3rd rounder who shot up the board's because of Senior Bowl week?
No. I have a thread on what I would do. Trade down for a 1st next year. Get some O-line and a NT without reaching. Maybe even a WR and an OLB too!

Coogs 03-03-2011 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7464662)
Trenches boys, trenches.

How do you think that the Jets get deep into the playoffs with one of the worst quarterbacks (statistically) in the NFL for the past two seasons? They drive people up and down the field with their trench players.

Time of possession. Ball control.

Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league.

You also have to remember that the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacks this past season. That's not too shabby. We are pressuring the opposing quarterback. However, we aren't plugging the run or protecting our own QB.

Trenches. Start digging.

http://cbms0hums.pbworks.com/f/Allie...20trenches.jpg
I agree. We have several holes that need some attention. And we can all argue which one is the biggest need. But for my money the most glaring weakness this past season was the inablility to convert on 3rd/4th and short, and most of the time not even come close when we ran the ball.

Again, JMO.

Hammock Parties 03-03-2011 04:16 PM
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Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league
What the **** is this shit?

Did you even watch the Super Bowl?

Hell, did you even watch the Chiefs? Charles moved the ball in 10 and 15 yard runs all year long.

This league is about passing and attacking the passer. The Chiefs suck at both and that's why they got assraped in the playoffs. Not because they needed an OT.

****, you sound like Gunther Cunningham.

Nightfyre 03-03-2011 07:27 PM
I am kind of hoping we trade back or for picks next year, unless someone of value really plummets.

Direckshun 03-03-2011 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7464662)
Trenches boys, trenches.

How do you think that the Jets get deep into the playoffs with one of the worst quarterbacks (statistically) in the NFL for the past two seasons? They drive people up and down the field with their trench players.

Time of possession. Ball control.

Big break off runs are nice and Charles is certainly capable, but if you can't move the ball at four yard chunks and eat clock and smash it in while in the Red Zone and protect your quarterback in the process, you ain't gonna win in this league.

You also have to remember that the Chiefs were #10 in the league in sacks this past season. That's not too shabby. We are pressuring the opposing quarterback. However, we aren't plugging the run or protecting our own QB.

Trenches. Start digging.
Buddy, we're CHIEFS FANS.

The best teams we've fielded in the past 25 years have fit your philosophy. And they do shit in the playoffs because they can't open the game up effectively and they can't get to the opposing QB.

Period. Clay's right, virtually every Super Bowl proves this.

You must be able to open the game up on offense, and you must be able to get to the opposing QB.

Chiefnj2 03-03-2011 09:01 PM
At 21 the best available players will likely be:

The CBs from Colorado and Miami - both are really good, but not a huge area of need for KC.

OLB - Houston, Ayers and Kerrigan. IMO Houston has the highest ceiling of the 3. I don't like Ayers at all, he doesn't excel at anything. I'd take Kerrigan over Ayers.

Tackle - Carimi, could be a pro bowl RT. Solder could fall, if the kid from USC is taken first.

WR - Baldwin, Smith & Hankerson. All are options, but probably have a lower floor than the LB's and Tackles.

NT - Taylor is the only 1st round option. I personally don't like the idea of taking someone in the first who didn't play like a first rounder in college.

DE - likely some decent value, but it's a year too early to give up on TJax. If Jordan were to slide, I'd be tempted though.

milkman 03-03-2011 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 7463852)
And I'm telling you the same thing I told DoucheMcCloud in the Lounge: you guys are all hung up on the purity of a system, you're forgetting the reality on the ground.

The Crennel system also gets a halfway decent passrush from its DEs. Which, despite the fact that we have spent Top 5s on two DEs, we don't have. Dorsey and Jackson are never going to have 7-8 sack seasons. We'll be lucky if either has a 3-sack season. And that's coming from a guy that believes in both players.

So we have to engineer those sacks from somewhere, or else trade/replace those two DEs.

So while I understand what you're saying, and agree that Ayers is definitely more of a Crennel SOLB prototype, we need the potential for double-digit sacks that Houston provides. Period.

Now, in my opening post, I said that I did not expect Pioli to pick Houston, mostly for the reason you specified.
And I'm telling you again that I don't disagree with what you're saying, and I would, given my choice, go after that pass rusher on the other side of Hali.

But again, it's not you and me making the decisions and calling the defense.

Even with the lack of pass rush from our ends, Crennel still rarely sent the LOLB, whether it was Vrabel or Studebaker, after the QB.

And in spite of the fact that both Berry and Arenas were seen as outstanding blitzers from their respective positions, Crennel didn't utilize their pass rush skills much at all either.

I'm not dedicated to Crennel's system, and in fact was not all that enthused by his hire.

But Crennel is dedicated to his system and with that in mind, I'm looking at guys that fit what HE does.

Direckshun 03-03-2011 09:17 PM
Ah, okay. So it's not that we disagree so much as you're telling me what I already know.

My OP: "The Chiefs won't pick that guy, but this is who I want."

MM: "Chiefs aren't going to pick that guy."

Thanks for that.


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