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DeezNutz 04-07-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 7544811)
3) Blaine Gabbert-QB-Missouri - I've never seen this guy play, and I don't have the slightest clue about how to evaluate QB prospects, but I've heard that QBs bust. Thus he makes the list.

Fixed the "analysis."

HerculesRockefell 04-07-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 7544811)
Something different than all the inaccurate mock drafts...

http://www.reclinerqb.com/2011/04/20...bust-list.html

Recliner QB
Tuesday, April 5, 2011
2011 NFL Draft "All-Bust" List
2) Marcell Dareus-DL-Alabama - I know I am going to get reamed for this one, but to me Dareus is just not a "star". I watched most of his college games and while he racked up some good numbers, I did not see him making a bunch of "impact plays" (yes I know he had some, i.e. National Championship game against always over-rated Texas). Honestly this past year he reminded me of DeMarcus Ware, Ware led the league in sacks, but none of them ever seemed to be game changers, they all seemed to be in garbage time or at least "non-critical" moments in the game. I believe that Marcell will have a solid, but unspectacular, NFL career, he will probably be in the league for 10-15 years and be a contributor, just never "the guy". In fact he could be one of the better 3-4 ends (which is where I think he will eventually end up) in the league, which is like saying that you are the best long snapper, important but nobody notices.

Whenever I say that he didn't make "impact plays" I am always told that it was because "he played end in a 3-4, and in the NFL he will play 3-4 tackle". Hmmmm....Let me see, Alabama runs an NFL style 3-4, and Nick Saban is a great defensive coach, don't you think that if Dareus was an impact player he would have had him at the position where he would make the most impact (tackle) and not at DE where he just takes on blockers to free up linebackers and plays the run? Guys, this isn't like a college 4-3 DE being converted to 3-4 OLB. The system will probably be nearly identical for him from college to the pros, and if he wasn't able to play the "impact" position in college, against inferior opponents, what makes you think he will be that guy in the NFL against far superior opponents?

All this leads me to believe that DareusSaban's coaching and solid 3-4 ends are hard to find. He will never make the impact that a Top 5 pick should (and yes I know he will be a Top 5 pick, probably 1 or 2) and never be worth the huge money he will be paid and that is why I think he will be a bust.

Bust is thrown around way too easily. A guy who lasts 10-15 years in the league and might be one of the better 3-4 ends is not a bust. He might not live up to what you expect out of a Top 5 pick, but that doesn't make him a bust.

Matthews? That guy is a mid-round pick, you can't be a mid-round pick and still be a bust if you don't do anything in your career.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-07-2011 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7544824)
Kiper on Gabbert:

"Blaine Gabbert. Lotta people comparing him to Drew Bledsoe coming out, but I don't see it. I'm not buying into Gabbert. I know he runs a 4.65 at 6-5 and 235, and I give him credit for doing it with a poor receiving corps, but I think he's shaky. You realize he completed only 38 percent of his throws 15 yards [and farther] downfield? And he was only 44 percent on third down, with six touchdowns and five interceptions? You know what Andrew Luck was on third down last year? Seventy-one percent."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1IqFXVQR3

But, but, but this stat only applies to Cassel.

Dave Lane 04-07-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 7545353)
Had time buying this list without listing Cam Newton. He may be a very good QB (I highly dount it) but he is just as likely if not more to bust. An inaccurate, look to run quickly if anything breaks down and first read not open QB sure looks like a bust to me.
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He has more red flags than a Communist party rally

Dave Lane 04-07-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7545726)
You can't have more character red flags as a prospect than Ryan Mallett. It doesn't surprise me that Mahi "The Masters has too many commercials" Mike would think he'll be the best QB from this class.

He has a better chance of being dead in 10 years than he does of being the best QB from this class.

Him and Cam could have a Danger Will Robinson award made for the two of them.

Whosurdaddy 04-07-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7545726)
You can't have more character red flags as a prospect than Ryan Mallett. It doesn't surprise me that Mahi "The Masters has too many commercials" Mike would think he'll be the best QB from this class.

He has a better chance of being dead in 10 years than he does of being the best QB from this class.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor...ies_and_1.html
He had one drunk in public arrest in the bar district on Dixon street, which is basically the equivalent of a shitty bourbon street. He didn't have his arrest in michigan. He has no documented problems besides the one arrest. He's pretty slow, no doubt, but he is pretty solid in the pocket. Read the article, he knows how to handle pressure and goes through his progressions real well. He also did presnap adjustments in a pro style offense which none of these other guys can claim. I think he'll be an ok qb in the nfl. I'd rather have a qb that can sit in the backfield and look downfield then a guy who freaks out and runs after his first two options are covered.

Tribal Warfare 04-07-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Whosurdaddy (Post 7546221)
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor...ies_and_1.html
He had one drunk in public arrest in the bar district on Dixon street, which is basically the equivalent of a shitty bourbon street. He didn't have his arrest in michigan. He has no documented problems besides the one arrest. He's pretty slow, no doubt, but he is pretty solid in the pocket. Read the article, he knows how to handle pressure and goes through his progressions real well. He also did presnap adjustments in a pro style offense which none of these other guys can claim. I think he'll be an ok qb in the nfl. I'd rather have a qb that can sit in the backfield and look downfield then a guy who freaks out and runs after his first two options are covered.

did you see his combine Q&A at the podium? When the media was asking about the alleged drug use he acted like a 5 year old and stormed off.
If he can't handle that type of questioning, then no way he can handle fame and the responsibilities that go with it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-07-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Whosurdaddy (Post 7546221)
http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/spor...ies_and_1.html
He had one drunk in public arrest in the bar district on Dixon street, which is basically the equivalent of a shitty bourbon street. He didn't have his arrest in michigan. He has no documented problems besides the one arrest. He's pretty slow, no doubt, but he is pretty solid in the pocket. Read the article, he knows how to handle pressure and goes through his progressions real well. He also did presnap adjustments in a pro style offense which none of these other guys can claim. I think he'll be an ok qb in the nfl. I'd rather have a qb that can sit in the backfield and look downfield then a guy who freaks out and runs after his first two options are covered.

It ain't the booze that scares me, it's the fact that he's a 6'7 version of Tony Montana when it comes to booger sugar.

Chiefnj2 04-07-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 7546259)
It ain't the booze that scares me, it's the fact that he's a 6'7 version of Tony Montana when it comes to booger sugar.

That also described Marino.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-07-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7546299)
That also described Marino.

You're in a completely different society now. That hurt Marino, but it's also was not near the red flag it's considered now in the wake of how many careers were destroyed by blow.

Whosurdaddy 04-07-2011 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 7546256)
did you see his combine Q&A at the podium? When the media was asking about the alleged drug use he acted like a 5 year old and stormed off.
If he can't handle that type of questioning, then no way he can handle fame and the responsibilities that go with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILYbCwVoqIU
Yeah I did watch it, the interview wasn't near as bad as it was made out to be. I wouldn't characterize it as storming off. He doesn't have amazing interview skills, but that's not really a knock for me. He repeatedly had them asking questions about it when he said he would't discuss the details with the media. He has denied the drug rumors in the past and didn't feel the need to discuss it further even though he was being repeatably asked about it...over and over again. I just don't see why his character issues are any bigger than cam newtons', ie. stealing laptops, cheating, and the pay-to-play scandal, yet it's seemingly a non issue to the media.

veist 04-08-2011 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7545538)
His completion percentage in real games was just fine. He had greater accuracy than Gabbert and Ponder.

His mechanics are goofy, he doesn't make reads and if it weren't for Mallett we'd all be talking about his character concerns. Lets not forget that he got busted with a stolen laptop, turning in someone else's paper with his name on it. Plus who actually believes he had no idea his dad was shopping him to the highest bidder?

Chiefnj2 04-08-2011 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by veist (Post 7546745)
His mechanics are goofy, he doesn't make reads and if it weren't for Mallett we'd all be talking about his character concerns. Lets not forget that he got busted with a stolen laptop, turning in someone else's paper with his name on it. Plus who actually believes he had no idea his dad was shopping him to the highest bidder?

The argument was that he isn't accurate. That argument fails. Even being raw as a QB, his accuracy was pretty good.

BigCatDaddy 04-08-2011 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by veist (Post 7546745)
His mechanics are goofy, he doesn't make reads and if it weren't for Mallett we'd all be talking about his character concerns. Lets not forget that he got busted with a stolen laptop, turning in someone else's paper with his name on it. Plus who actually believes he had no idea his dad was shopping him to the highest bidder?

Schefter, Kiper,and McShay all have him going #1 now. While I don't agree with it, he looks like the Panthers pick.


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