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DaKCMan AP 04-20-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7573826)
Like Newton, Portis was a highly sought after prep quarterback that originally started at Florida, struggled with some cheating issues at school (Maryland), then transferred to a small college where he put up ridiculous numbers. His college situation damn near mirrors Cam other than getting back into D1 (which is why I said if he had another year of eligibility he might have done what Newton did in having success at the D1 level). I don't see how that's an "awful analysis."

How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

ChiefsCountry 04-20-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7579244)
How wrong you are. Very wrong.

That is pretty much spot on with all of Sac's draft anaylsis.

Reaper16 04-20-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7579244)
How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

You are right about everything but Cam winning a championship at the NCAA D-II level. Cam played at the NJCAA level. Those are very, very, very different things.

DaKCMan AP 04-21-2011 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 7580976)
You are right about everything but Cam winning a championship at the NCAA D-II level. Cam played at the NJCAA level. Those are very, very, very different things.

You are correct.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-21-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 7579603)
That is pretty much spot on with all of Sac's draft anaylsis.

He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry ROFL

Bewbies 04-21-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7582384)
He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry ROFL

Okung is a once in a generation LT, which is more important than a run of the mill SS.

Saccopoo 04-22-2011 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 7579244)
How wrong you are. Very wrong. The similarities end at both transferring from Florida,

Size - Cam is a much bigger physical presence at 6'5" 248lbs compared to Portis 6'3" 210lb frame.

Cam has a stronger arm, is more accurate, had a higher QB efficiency rating against far superior competition, and won championships at both the D-I and D-II levels.

To assert that Portis might have been the next Cam if he had another year of eligibility is a joke. Portis doesn't possess the talent Cam has and Cam did it all as a junior, not as a 6th year senior that Portis would be with another year.

Holy shit.

Get your panties in a knot over minutia in a comparison between two ****ing guys who started their careers at Florida as highly touted prep quarterbacks, who left the program amidst scholastic controversy and who went on to amass huge numbers against shitty DII/Juco competition!!!! What a stretch of a comparison!!!

Oh noes! One guy is 6'5", the other guy is 6'2"!!!!! One guy is a little more accurate than the other!!!! One guy had a higher completion rather versus the other!!!! They are nothing alike!!!!

****ing idiot.

I'm sorry if you got your tampon string wound in the wrong direction Mr. Cecil Newton. I never meant to say that Portis was exactly like your son. I simply inferred that if Portis had another year of eligibility that he might have made an impact at the D1 level. God forbid that I besmirched you son's name and lowered him to Portis' level.

You must come completely unglued when someone mentions that a porpoise and a dolphin are somewhat alike. Or if someone says magenta is a more of a shade of red then a shade of purple.

How does life live on a completely literal level?

Saccopoo 04-22-2011 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7582384)
He has the worst takes I've ever seen. Wanting Okung over Berry ROFL

Yeah, wanting a competent left tackle over a safety is a real stretch.

How many safeties have gone top five versus left tackles? Shit, how about just the first round? All of those "real" NFL GM's must have some real bad "takes" too, eh? ("Takes." Learned all you know of sports from the Jim Rome program? It all makes sense now.)

But yet, I respect you, because you've always put your views out there for critique. Laid it on the line, so to speak.

BossChief 04-22-2011 09:54 AM

Comical

Pasta Little Brioni 04-22-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7583940)
Yeah, wanting a competent left tackle over a safety is a real stretch.

How many safeties have gone top five versus left tackles? Shit, how about just the first round? All of those "real" NFL GM's must have some real bad "takes" too, eh? ("Takes." Learned all you know of sports from the Jim Rome program? It all makes sense now.)

But yet, I respect you, because you've always put your views out there for critique. Laid it on the line, so to speak.

Yeah, taking a perennial All-Pro candidate at Safety was a reeeeealllll dumb decision. If only they had selected that league average LT from OSU.

My takes are out there, but I'm not much of a "draturbater". I don't make my own homemade bigboards and act like a toddler when they don't take my "guys".

Saccopoo 04-22-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 7584583)
Yeah, taking a perennial All-Pro candidate at Safety was a reeeeealllll dumb decision. If only they had selected that league average LT from OSU.

Did anyone say it was dumb? Don't be such a moron. (Sorry, you are probably a moron resulting from genetical deficiencies and you can't do anything about it other than just be a moron and it's mean to make fun of someone who is like that and can't do anything about it. If your mom drank a shit ton while she is pregnant, the results can hardly be considered your fault. You may just want to limit your participation in discussions and the like so your genetic predisposition towards stupidity doesn't show itself too much.)

The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.

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My takes are out there, but I'm not much of a "draturbater". I don't make my own homemade bigboards and act like a toddler when they don't take my "guys".
Put up or shut up. If you are going to criticize someone about their picks, then you should have the balls to make yours known. Otherwise, you come off as a disingenuous one who sucks the penis. And maybe that's just what you are. :shrug:

milkman 04-22-2011 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7584724)
The Berry pick was a good pick considering the Chiefs lack of depth and production from the position in 2009. However, safeties are usually considered support players and deemed to be not as high on the positional value scale as left tackles.

However, while Berry quickly established himself as a very good run defender, his pass defense is not good and he was responsible for giving up a number of touchdowns last season.

In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

KCrockaholic 04-22-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7584734)
In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.

Pretty much this. But Sac doesn't understand this concept.

Saccopoo 04-22-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7584734)
In case you haven't noticed (Wait, what do I mean "In case"?), the NFL has gone through some dramatic changes in the last few years.

The old values no longer apply to the safety position, with offenses evolving and the rules changes that give the passing game a huge advantage over defense.

I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.

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Also, the other thing you clearly failed to notice is that Berry's coverage improved by leaps and bounds from game 1 to game 16.
It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

ToxSocks 04-22-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 7584849)
I noticed. It began in 2004 with a rule change and greater emphasis on pass interference rule enforcement that favored the offense.

However, there is no way that a safety is more relevant than an offensive tackle in terms of positional value.



It was better, but still flawed. He even got burned in the Pro Bowl on pass coverage and gave up one to Gonzalez.

And I'm not saying it was a bad pick by any stretch. The Chiefs needed a safety (two) and got good ones in Berry and Lewis.

However, I would have rather have had Okung or Bulaga in the first and then use one of the second rounders we had last year on Nate Allen or TJ Ward rather than McCluster.

But Berry is a good guy and a solid player. And while I would have done it different, it was a good pick for the team.

Did you just say you'd rather have Bulaga over Berry? Really? Nah....Ima just pretend you didn't say that.

You didn't say that. LALALALALA


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