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jd1020 12-07-2011 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8179018)
Did I say trade John McGraw for RGIII?

Sure. It's going to take some doing to move up, but if you're going with a n00b QB you keep Bowe 11 times out of 10.

I really really wish I could understand why Chiefs fans are so reluctant to trade one of their most valuable pieces that has the least amount of impact on a game.

Bowe is 13th in rec, 14th in yards, and 37th in TD's...

Would you take Welker over Bowe? **** no.

But Welker is 1st in rec, 1st in yards, T-5th in TD's... Why? Because he has a NFL QB throwing to him.

Buehler445 12-07-2011 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8179085)
I really really wish I could understand why Chiefs fans are so reluctant to trade one of their most valuable pieces that has the least amount of impact on a game.

You think Bowe has the least amount of impact on the game? Particularly if he has a good QB throwing at him?

Jesus dude. I'm not saying you don't get a QB. I am 100% in favor of getting a good QB. I'm so sick of Cassel, but you have to give your new man something to throw to. I'm so ****ing sick of running douchebags in here like Bobby ****ing Wade and Lance Long in here and actually making them part of the gameplan.

Get a new guy, give him the best chance to succeed. That involves keeping Bowe.

whoman69 12-07-2011 06:30 PM

1st, 3rd and 4th. Doesn't make sense to trade your draft away and not surround that QB with as much talent as you can. This team still needs RT, NT and depth on defense. We should probably go to the FA market for the RT and look to get the depth an NT in the draft.

R8RFAN 12-07-2011 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8178899)
Dude. No. Keep Bowe. You get a new QB and want to get rid of his weapons. Do you not remember how long it took us to get ONE GODDAMNED MOTHER****ING RECIEVER that is not a worthless ****ing pile of shit?

Easy Sparky

jd1020 12-07-2011 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 8179091)
You think Bowe has the least amount of impact on the game? Particularly if he has a good QB throwing at him?

You just said it right there...

Bowe needs a QB.

How much impact did Bowe have in the playoffs against the Ravens? 0 catches.

R8RFAN 12-07-2011 06:35 PM

Sorry, the Chiefs will be drafting a very high quality RT in the first

whoman69 12-07-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8179085)
I really really wish I could understand why Chiefs fans are so reluctant to trade one of their most valuable pieces that has the least amount of impact on a game.

Bowe is 13th in rec, 14th in yards, and 37th in TD's...

Would you take Welker over Bowe? **** no.

But Welker is 1st in rec, 1st in yards, T-5th in TD's... Why? Because he has a NFL QB throwing to him.

Pretty simplistic. Welker is a talent who has flourished with Brady. But they also have a lot of weapons to open the field for him. Brady was good earlier in his career with few weapons. He's elite with weapons. Larry Fitzgerald doesn't have an elite QB throwing to him nor does Brandon Marshall. How do you think Cam Newton would be doing if Carolina had traded Steve Smith?

jd1020 12-07-2011 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8179107)
Pretty simplistic. Welker is a talent who has flourished with Brady. But they also have a lot of weapons to open the field for him. Brady was good earlier in his career with few weapons. He's elite with weapons. Larry Fitzgerald doesn't have an elite QB throwing to him nor does Brandon Marshall. How do you think Cam Newton would be doing if Carolina had traded Steve Smith?

It is simple. QB > WR. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

How do you think Steve Smith would be doing if Carolina didn't draft Cam Newton? He was considered washed up.

whoman69 12-07-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by R8ers (Post 8179105)
Sorry, the Chiefs will be drafting a very high quality RT in the first

With the first round selection in the 2012 NFL draft the Oakland Raiders select T.Y. Hilton Florida International.

whoman69 12-07-2011 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8179109)
It is simple. QB > WR. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

How do you think Steve Smith would be doing if Carolina didn't draft Cam Newton? He was considered washed up.

Quarterbacks still have to have targets. Steve Smith was washed up because Jimmy Clausen couldn't throw to him. Bet Bradford wishes he had some targets to throw to.

jd1020 12-07-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8179136)
Quarterbacks still have to have targets. Steve Smith was washed up because Jimmy Clausen couldn't throw to him. Bet Bradford wishes he had some targets to throw to.

So you mean a WR cant do shit without a QB? Interesting.

In case you are too blind to see the point... Good QB's elevate WR's. Good WR's don't elevate bad QB's. The QB is still bad and the team still loses.

Bowe is the best trade chip we have at the least impactful position.

rico 12-07-2011 07:05 PM

Not sold on Barkley at all.... sorry guys....

SAUTO 12-07-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 8178975)
I wouldn't give up as much for Barkley as for Griffin. Yeah, I can see RG3 is better now.

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whoman69 12-07-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8179139)
So you mean a WR cant do shit without a QB? Interesting.

In case you are too blind to see the point... Good QB's elevate WR's. Good WR's don't elevate bad QB's. The QB is still bad and the team still loses.

Bowe is the best trade chip we have at the least impactful position.

Good QBs elevate good WRs. Teams with good QBs still look for weapons. The Patriots added Gronkowski last year to help out Welker. Falcons add Julio Jones when they had Gonzales and White. The Colts added Anthony Gonzales to a defending champion team that had Harrison, Wayne and Clark when they had a horrid defense.

jd1020 12-07-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8179283)
Good QBs elevate good WRs. Teams with good QBs still look for weapons. The Patriots added Gronkowski last year to help out Welker. Falcons add Julio Jones when they had Gonzales and White. The Colts added Anthony Gonzales to a defending champion team that had Harrison, Wayne and Clark when they had a horrid defense.

You know whats consistent with all those teams? They already had a ****ing QB.


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