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OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8197307)
Hali and DJ have been far more productive in the 3-4 it would make no sense going back to the 4-3 at this point if those are the guys we're building around on defense.

Chicken or the egg?

Scheme or coaching?

Remember who the DC's were when they ran a 43.

petegz28 12-12-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8197272)
Yes. Tamba Hali is one of the best pass rushers in the game, DJ is one of the best ILB, and Justin Houston is emerging as well. It shouldn't be that hard to find a good Nose Tackle unless Scott Pioli is the GM.

You're still stuck with 2 4-3 DT's playing in a 3-4. You need big, strong guys that can beat 1-1 blocks at DE in a 3-4. If teams tried to single block Neil Smith he burned them and burned them bad. Jackson registers one sack in 3 years? That's not a good 3-4 DE. O-lineman are constantly on our LB's which is another sign of bad DE's.

Plus, romeo prefers a coverage strategy rather than an attacking one. If that's the case I have never thought a 3-4 to be a good read-n-react defense. My opinion is a 3-4 should be a blitzing and attacking defense with a really intense front 7 who can constantly bring it from anywhere and everywhere at any given time.

OnTheWarpath15 12-12-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8197314)
Still weak up the middle.

Weak up front period.

petegz28 12-12-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8197291)
Jackson has graded out well against the run unless I'm mistaken. Don't get blinded by the fact that he was a disastrous selection at #3 overall and not be able to recognize that he can contribute on some level.

He has gotten better but I still think he gets eaten up too much by 1-1 blocks.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8197314)
Still weak up the middle.

We're weak at NT.

Our MLBs are excellent and Berry is a beast in run defense.

petegz28 12-12-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197298)
I don't think Dorsey or Jackson would fit in a 4-3 at all, and I think we'd have two find two new outside linebackers who can cover.

This defense is good enough to win a SB if Berry is OK, we get a NT and Houston keeps trending up.

They played in the 4-3 in college and were very, very good at it. Warren Sapp was probably one of the best DT's in recent history and when moved to a 3-4 he sucked ass.

petegz28 12-12-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197328)
We're weak at NT.

Our MLBs are excellent and Berry is a beast in run defense.

Excellent? No. Belcher is average and DJ cannot cover a TE to save his life. Granted DJ is a beast agains the run and a great blitzer. I will live with 2 out of 3 but someone else has to be able to cover the TE's that are eating us alive.

ChiefsCountry 12-12-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 8197313)
Was this when Gruden was still the coach? IIRC he didn't get canned til very late in the process.

No it was Rahemm Morris.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197333)
They played in the 4-3 in college and were very, very good at it. Warren Sapp was probably one of the best DT's in recent history and when moved to a 3-4 he sucked ass.

Dorsey is a terrible pass rusher. Putting him in the 4-3, where your DTs have to provide a pass rush, would be a mistake.

And it goes without saying that Jackson would be a terrible 4-3 pass rusher. And Houston should be playing DE in a 4-3 anyway.

So, basically you believe in angels.

ChiefsCountry 12-12-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197328)
We're weak at NT.

Our MLBs are excellent and Berry is a beast in run defense.

Belcher is better suited to be a backup.

ChiefsCountry 12-12-2011 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 8197314)
Still weak up the middle.

So glad we took the midget instead of the Nose Tackle that could have made a difference.

Hammock Parties 12-12-2011 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8197346)
Belcher is better suited to be a backup.

No, he's one of the better ILBs against the run in this league.

He's a fine starter. You guys want to replace every position when you see a player who isn't a Pro Bowler for some reason.

petegz28 12-12-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197344)
Dorsey is a terrible pass rusher. Putting him in the 4-3, where your DTs have to provide a pass rush, would be a mistake.

And it goes without saying that Jackson would be a terrible 4-3 pass rusher. And Houston should be playing DE in a 4-3 anyway.

So, basically you believe in angels.

Totally disagree. Dorsey and Jackson are ideal 4-3 DT's. Quick off the ball and gap hitters. 3-4 DE's have to be block sponges. They have to be able to take on double-teams without being knocked off the ball. This is why we have no pass rush up the middle. A good 3-4 DE is going to take a single bloker and shove him into the QB's lap.

petegz28 12-12-2011 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8197353)
No, he's one of the better ILBs against the run in this league.

He's a fine starter. You guys want to replace every position when you see a player who isn't a Pro Bowler for some reason.

Anthony Davis was a great ILB in a 3-4. Belcher couldn't hold Davis' jock. Ray Lewis is a great 3-4 ILB. Belcher is nowhere even close.

jd1020 12-12-2011 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8197357)
Totally disagree. Dorsey and Jackson are ideal 4-3 DT's. Quick off the ball and gap hitters. 3-4 DE's have to be block sponges. They have to be able to take one double-teams without being knocked off the ball. This is why we have no pass rush up the middle. A good 3-4 DE is going to take a single bloker and shove him into the QB's lap.

We have no pass rush up the middle because our NT can barely win a 1 on 1.


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