oh, i have.

SNR was complaining that the Chiefs need to 'shoot for the stars'

jAZ said that they already HAD

you dismissed what jAZ said because Haley was 'part of the tree'

my reading comprehension is pretty good.


being part of the tree is irrelevant ... Haley was the hot name, so was Pioli

Weis and Crennel were both big name, veteran guys and quality hires.

The shitty hires like Muir were made by Todd 'psycho-boy' Haley

I didn't dismiss ANYTHING Jaz said. I was just reminding him that Haley was part of the tree.

You're so narrow-minded it's hilarious.

Clements isn't exactly a spring chicken...he's been in the league awhile. If we're going young, up and coming guy...it's probably Lombardi or Ferentz.

Arizona won the SB? I thought the Steelers won that game. :D

Muir is in his goddamn 70s. Clements isn't exactly a youngin, but there's nothing wrong with his age.

LMAO Its so funny to watch you cry about Haley. I swear he must have ****ed your boyfriend and made you watch.

LOL Actually he's only 69.

I wouldn't mind Clements, but I would prefer someone younger.

69... 70...

He's old enough to die and have people say, "It's a shame, but he was getting up there in years."

After that article re: Pioli and his supposed nazi ways, why would anyone want to work for him/The Chiefs? True or not true, perception is reality.

I'm surprised there is no love for Greg Robinson and Gunther Cunningham for OC. Those 2 guys have been involved with some of the highest scoring/yardage offenses in league history.

Despite Pioli's supposed "gestapo" tactics, the Chiefs are one of the most talented group of young players in the league right now. They aren't the most accomplished group, but for any coach that's looking to make a name for himself this is the perfect group to prove his worth with.

The defense has been in place for a few years now, so it is pretty much running smoothly. The offense isn't scoring, but it has playmakers all over the field. If everyone comes back healthy this season, this offense will give teams fits all year long with the right OC.

If we are saying that an OC candidate will make his decision based on what he is going to work with, don't you think having Cassel is going to make them pause? If he starts next year the failure to get where the Chiefs want to go is going to build even more pressure within the organization, even with the Chiefs media and fans being so gentle.

I don't think people will necessarly stay away because of Matt, but if we are talking just about their reaction to talent, people in this league aren't foolish enough to see Matt Cassel just by his stats. They understand game tape way more than we do which means they should be atleast twice as aware of Matt's failures.

That is true but during an interview perception can be changed. All Pioli would have to do is convince them part of it isn't true, or perhaps admit it and say things have changed. People looking for an OC job are those trying to come up in the ranks and if there aren't many jobs open they may consider it.

If they are looking for the right job then yeah, these stories and Matt Cassel are going to concern them. I just think you have to consider that some of these people will be looking for a career jump.

The key here is that the understand game tape and strategy more than we do. We all see his failures, but he actually does some things very well. I'm not saying he's a great QB, but if Weis showed us anything it's that he can definitely be "coached up." P.S. I used to think Chiefs fans were, as you say, "gentle." Then I came to Chiefs Planet.

But to get away from the Cassel conundrum, if an OC comes in and has any kind of success at all, he may actually be able to use that as a bargaining chip to get Cassel out of town after a season or two, provided he continues his lack-luster play and inability to win games. He doesn't really lose too many games—protects the ball, doesn't take too many risks, etc...—but he doesn't win too many either—plays too tentatively, doesn't seem to have a deep ball, needs an above average O-line to succeed at all, etc...

I think in the end people looking to be OC's aren't going to turn down the offer to move up in the football world unless there is a better offer or they just really think they can get better next year. Somebody will be willing to do it.

I am one to admit what I see as a fan may not be gospel. With Matt though, its pretty evident that his major flaws aren't going away and are too much to overcome. Thats why its frustrating, becaue the only way Pioli doesn't see it is by ignoring it.

Sad to say a lot of Chiefs fans don't view Matt the way CP does per a bunch of fans that live in KC. Matt has shown under very favorable circumstances he can get a Division Title, but he also showed what he does if a real team makes an effort to stop him. If the goal is a SB, there really isn't much of a conversation to be had.