This may be the most garbage statistic to grace CP, which is saying something.

There'll be scammers in everything we do as long as our system is set up for bribery. However, that is a different issue than the environmental damage that is being ignored by the recent push to drill at all costs.

I was watching Frontline about the future of Nuclear Power in Japan and Germany last night (because I couldn't find "The Beverly Hillbillies").

All I thought of over and over was..."Man, that German scientist chick is HOT. I'd like to have nasty lab sex with her!"

I've got this thing about hot German Blonde women in business attire....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...r-aftershocks/

This is the kind of talk we always hear when the industry wants their way. Before tragedy happens. And the tragedy always happens. Minimize the risks and exaggerate the benefits. And when evidence starts to rear its ugly head, resort to denial, denial, denial. That's the way the industry always does it. Follow suit ye minions.

The only reason our viable options are limited is because the status quo has done its best to stifle the alternatives and promote the its own interests. This is all about maintaining the status quo. If the subsidies that are given to the oil companies were given to research we'd already have a brighter future instead of being held captive by the oil and gas industry. Jimmy Carter had it right. Instead of mocking carter, Ronald Regan would have been wiser to exercise the same forsight. Instead, he was a shortsighted lackey to the oil industry. Well, to all of big business.

Errr, what tragedy do you think is going to happen because of one new oil pipeline? Mass deaths or something?

Also, what alternative do you think have been stifled?

IIRC, didn't the Ohio river literally catch on fire a liitle over a hundred years ago? ..due to toxins being dumped from the manufacturing industry? (specifically the auto industry?)

pretty sure that's not gonna happen again.


...think I'll go for a drive.

The alternatives have all been discussed for decades but hardly pursued in earnest. A dedicated effort to do better would have yielded much more than it has thus far.

The environmental degradation of extracting and burninig fossil fuels is well documented. That's the reason there are environmental laws. However, the industry has successfully lobbied to be exempted from many of the major regulations that have served us well for decades. Which is leading to a slow attrition of the environment in my back yard. Ground water, air, and soil are all affected.

If we can't get off oil and gas at least we should make an honest effort to refine the process to make it less detrimental. But I get it. I think we CAN do better and should do better. While you are happy with the status quo.

The alternatives are not viable, either economically or with regard to efficiency (or both) compared to refined crude.

They like to pay more for gas, or do they like the fact that Canada is going to tell us to **** off and sell the oil to China? Oh and I call Bullshit.

I'm glad you are sure of that. Because I see industry being exempted from the very regulations that have prevented environmental degradation.

For example, the gas industry has been exempted from many major environmental regulations, including the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the Clean Drinking Water Act, and the Superfund Act.

I wish I were as confident as you. But I see my backyard being trashed because the U.S. government has seen fit to exempt them from laws proven to be effective. And because Pennsylvania has a governor that is in bed with the gas industry and who has appointed gas industry advocates to positions within the PA Department of Environmental Conservation.

The price of gas isn't going to go down with the Keystone Pipeline. It's a racket. The more the industry gets what it wants, the more nothing changes. Gas prices are set by Wall Street speculators. Supply and demand has nothing to do with it anymore. It's all about manipulating the global market.

If fewer people were susceptible to the rhetoric used by the industry to blackmail us, we might actully be able to affect some change. But as it is, the industry PR campaign is strong. We'll believe anything they say because why would they lie to us? They only want to give us jobs and lower gas prices, right?