Outstanding post, man.

I think you bring up some really points, of why, all things being equal, the value of a NT outweighs a HB, even a HB the caliber of Richardson. I concur on all your points.

Trade the #11 pick to Peyton Manning imo

yer dum

nope

Actually the more I think about it, I'm starting to believe will the pick if we sign Soliai or not because of Dontari's positional versatility on the D-line.

I put more stock into the overall body of work than the numbers a guy puts up at the combine. Poe didn't do much at Memphis. Yeah he might have had shit around him, but with those measurables why couldn't he just physically manhandle people?

I'm fine with taking him if we can trade down, not at 11 if there are sure fire players still on the board.

I don't even know what that means.

If you don't understand positional value perhaps.

Tait was a Pro-Bowl player as was Shields. Not as many times, but Tait was among the best right tackles in the NFL during his career.

Ask yourself how good that offensive line was once Peterson pissed off Tait and he went to Chicago and we were left with Pumpy Welbourne, Back Spasm Turley, and the host of others we've tried to put into that position that have failed miserably. Our QB's have been on the run since '03, and that was with Shields still there for three more years after Tait left.

It goes to show the importance of an effective edge protector versus a guard.

But, as usual, most people around here don't understand it or get it or whatever.

Carry on.

I'd argue that DJ is "much more talented" than Kuechly. DJ has, other than this past season, been inconsistent at best and has never really lived up to his first round selection. Even this past season, he showed up fat and out of shape for the start.

Kuechly has excellent measurables and is one of the most instinctive and productive linebackers in the history of college football. His work ethic has been superb at Boston College. And unlike Johnson, Kuechly is amazing at shedding blockers and getting to the ball and making a sound tackle when he gets there. The knock on Johnson, from college to now, is that he doesn't shed blocks well (which he doesn't) and is an open field pass defender, which he is.

You are putting a size value to the position versus a production value to the position. Hightower or Upshaw are not as good as Kuechly. They are bigger. That doesn't mean that they are better, which they aren't.

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Uh...it was still fantastic until Roaf and Shields left.

11 is too high for RT.

I don't know how only 8 (that's correct - EIGHT) tackles for loss and one sack for the entire 2011 season equates to a guy who was "shooting the gaps."

If that was Poe's job, he sucked at it. Hard.

Uh, no it wasn't.

Go back and watch those games and tell me how much the offense changed once Tait left and we were left with Pumpy Welbourne and every other right tackle since him.

'03 was the begining of the end of that offensive line.

Yeah, Shields and Roaf were great, but defenses started exploiting that right side. Ask Trent, Damon, Brodie and Matt what they thought of the right side edge protection. It got 3 out of 4 killed.

You're confused. That team had a fantastic offensive line up until Roaf and Shields left. I don't care about Damon, Brodie, and Matt, because they never played with Roaf and Shields.

You're pining for John Tait, even though he was just a failed LT project that turned out to be a pretty good RT, but if teams knew that's what he was, he wouldn't have been taken as high as he was in the draft.

Sac, waht RT are we to be taking at that spot?


If Richardson is around, I'd rather take him and grab a RT later. I liked Reynolds alot but haven't heard much about him lately.


Also been hearing alot about Zeitler from Wisconsin.

There's no tackle I really like that should be available at 11. I think Reiff and Kalil are gone by that pick and I agree with Direck that Martin is a left tackle versus a right, but who knows. Right tackle is the biggest current hole on the team, but I think a guy like Reynolds will be there in the third.

I also agree that Kuechly is the same player as Johnson. Kuechly is a stud, but I really like Belcher and I hope that Johnson has decided that he'd like to be the guy from 2011 for the rest of his career. They need depth at the ILB positions though.

Picking Richardson is a little like taking Kuechly. We've already got Charles, who is, on any given day, the best running back in the league, so you are taking a part time guy, a guy who is going to split time at 11. That's expensive.

Poe is a huge reach based on his lack of production in college. Same for Brockers (who I like a lot, but with only one year of production, it's a bit of a gamble). And I agree with Direck that Powe is a old school, in the trenches guy that is going to be a solid player at the nose for the Chiefs.

DeCastro is a guard. We've taken two All-American guards (Asamoah and Hudson) the past two drafts. Redundant and silly to draft another one, especially at #11.

We need a center, but it's about 7 to 11 spots too high to take Konz, who I really like but there is a bit of an injury history with him.

You've got elite level talent in Kuechly, DeCastro and Konz. But all three play positions that don't dictate a pick that high and in the case of DeCastro, we already have picked two young and talented guards. (And I think Hudson was a better player at the same stage as DeCastro anyway, and I'd rather take a pure center than try to convert a very good guard to center and draft another guard.)

I really think that the Chiefs make a move in this draft. A big one.