I'm just not sure we need another safety that high. I like Barron a ton, but I'd more willing to give Lewis a chance.

Although, I do like putting Barron at SS and Berry at FS, but I think we could also find another safety later in the draft that could do that.

Again, I'm fine with Barron but I think I would rather take one of the passrushers. I know Decastro is a guard but if he's elite, I could get a little more ok with it. Still, thats tough to spend a pick that high on a guard.


If only Tannehill would fall to us.

Yeah and Berry missed all of his 2cd season so he didn't get that experience. This will be his 2cd season of playing experience.

I like it overall.

Charles in the third is a solid pick, but I think that Boss is somewhat undervalued as a receiver.

He isn't in the same class as Graham's and Gronkowski's, but he's a reliable target over the middle who has that old school toughness to get you those tough yards.

He's the Mark Bavarro type.

Prater in the 5th round would be a steal. The guy will be a starter in the league for someone. I don't think we draft Barron.

I know a 3rd or 4th on another tight end is quite a large investment, but Moeaki just can't seem to stay healthy. The Charles pick gives us the ability to still run effective 2 tight sets if Moeaki can't shake the injury prone label and if Moeaki does do so, it gives us the ability to attck in the red zone in ways not too many teams can match up to. Moeaki and Chalres can line up a lot of different places than just as in line blockers and when you have Bowe, Charles, Moeaki, Baldwin,Boss, J Charles and Hillis as weapons to mix and match with in the red zone...it will absolutely keep defensive coordinators up at night.

Prater would be a steal anywhere after the late second.

If he falls to us in the middle rounds, he would be a fantasic pick.

To get him in the 5th would be straight up raping talent.

He is a good player.

You don't see the irony in saying that drafting the best guard since Steve Hutchinson is absurd but taking the best safety since Eric Berry (who we happen to have on the roster) is brilliant, eh?

Neither one of them are that high on the positional value chart. And frankly, taking a second safety with a pick that high greatly dilutes its value even further. If we didn't have Berry back there already, we'd talk - but we do.

Taking a 2nd high-value safety isn't any more of a waste of 'positional value' than taking a potential superstar guard. And NFL GMs agree; look at the contract Nicks and Grubbs just got. Guards are going for more than RTs right now and few people would've had a problem taking Martin or Rief at 11.

Guards aren't crap positions; they're very valuable and the market is reflecting that.

Further - Jackson is a year away from getting released due to his cap hit if he doesn't take massive strides and Dorsey's gone either way, IMO. Sure, Bailey could develop into a force - but so could Brockers. If Brockers and Bailey both played to their physical ability, the bookends on this team would be otherwordly. Brockers isn't ready to play this season anyway (redshirt Soph); he'd need more time to develop. Dorsey can give us that this year, Jackson probably could the year after. Additionally, with the number of sub-packages that Romeo plays, if Brockers develops, he can move inside and dominate as an under-tackle on passing downs, even if we retain Jackson.

Pretty good take Dj.


I think Jackson will restructure and he's pretty much the ideal 5 tech for our scheme. I'd like to see him develop a pass rush but who knows.

Like I said I can dig the Barron pick, but comparing him to Berry is just silly. Berry was one of the most complete safeties in recent memory. Maybe the greatest safety prospect ever along with Sean Taylor. Barron has a chance to be great but not sure I would of even taken him over Earl Thomas

I agree that you made valid points. Noted.

I could probably make a legit case that superstar safeties are as valuable in today's NFL (new CBA and passing rules) as any other player on a 3-4 defense with the obvious exclusion of rushbacker.

With Phillip Rivers and Peyton Manning in our division as well as the evolving of today's passing games...having two safeties that are both dual threats could impact all facets of this defense and make it truly scary.

I can also seeyour point of how a similar stance could be taken with Decastro rounding out what could be a phenomenal offensive line. He is also a dual threat player that can excell in all facets of his responsibilities that he would have here.

With the way the game is played nowadays, there is definitely a power shift in the way each position is looked at in terms of value.

At Barrons pro day, they compared him to Berry quite a bit.

They all agreed Berry was in another atmosphere because he could probably play corner, but agreed that Barron solidified himself as a top 15 pick.

See folks - this is how you do reasoned disagreement.

The bottom line is that we should probably hope someone like Coples slides and a 4-3 team desperately wants to move up for him. There are about 5 players that I'd be just fine with taking at that spot (though, to be honest, Barron still isn't one of them in my eyes). When all 5 of them are about of equal value, there's no sense in getting first dibs if you can get more picks for going last.

This would be a very good season to be sitting around 16/17. You're not going to suffer an appreciable dropoff in talent from about 8 and likely still have a bunch of good options available to you.

I am coming around to your position on Brockers, but I can not agree with any argument that makes a case for drafting a guard in the top 15.

You make a valid point with with the observation regarding GMs and the position, but I just don't believe that those teams will be appreciably be better because of those signings.

I don't believe that DeCastro at #11 makes more of a difference than taking Molk at center in the mid rounds with Hudson remaining at guard.

I also think that people undervalue safeties in today's NFL.

The Steelers not only lose a difference maker when they lose Polamalu, but their defense suffered with the loss of Ryan Clark, as well.

Love the Barron pick. Wouls love to have Konz, and Burfict is the type of player I would draft in the final rounds every year, just to see if they can get their heads on straight. Especially with the type of leadership we have.
If he pans out, it's like hitting the lottery if he doesn't...who gives a shit.

Barron is a huge question mark.

He's had physical issues and is coming off a repair job.

He also has a misdemeanor arrest on his record from his freshman year.

Prior to this past season, he was viewed by most people as a third round prospect as he struggled against the pass and was primarily a run support type of safety.

He's no where close to a Berry level player and is being up-valued due to a lack of depth at the safety position in the draft.

Spending a first rounder on Barron would be a near catastrophic waste.

Finally someone makes a reasonable post.

DeQuan Menzie does interest me, however. As does Brandon Taylor. This position does need to be addressed and I bet its one of the two or maybe a darkhorse